Why do High School officials dislike College officials so much?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Gee I'll bet that if you had a guy that worked 8 lower level college games and a full HS schedule get a college post season assignment over a guy that worked a full lower level college schedule that college guy would be busting a vein screaming bloody murder about it.

Why would you bet on this? That is a HUGE assumption. If the "college" guy misses the playoffs, you can bet there's a reason -- probably connected to his full "lower level" schedule. If the "HS" guy gets a college post-season assignment, you can bet there's a reason -- he's a good official who only has college availability on weekends, perhaps. Your bias against "college" officials is showing in your assumption here.

That is why there is friction, college officials just assume they are better officials and in many cases it just isn't true.

Again, a HUGE assumption. Not ALL college officials assume that they're better than ALL high school officials. Again, this is just a biased comment. You can't have met enough "college" officials with this attitude to apply it to a few thousand people nationwide.

JMO, but I think your comments show the resentment that I spoke about in my first post in this thread.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why would you bet on this? That is a HUGE assumption. If the "college" guy misses the playoffs, you can bet there's a reason -- probably connected to his full "lower level" schedule. If the "HS" guy gets a college post-season assignment, you can bet there's a reason -- he's a good official who only has college availability on weekends, perhaps. Your bias against "college" officials is showing in your assumption here.

Again, a HUGE assumption. Not ALL college officials assume that they're better than ALL high school officials. Again, this is just a biased comment. You can't have met enough "college" officials with this attitude to apply it to a few thousand people nationwide.

JMO, but I think your comments show the resentment that I spoke about in my first post in this thread.

I rest my case.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I rest my case.

Well, then you have a terrible case. Your argument assumes that college officials all think that they're better than all high school officials; and you use that assumption to prove that college officials think they're better than high school officials. That's a lousy case.

I gave you a very possible scenario in which a mostly-HS official could get a college playoff game over a completely-college official, which shows that your original comments are not valid. How does that rest your case?

It seems to me that you are so determined to hold your position on this issue that you can't even discuss other possibilities. Again, JMO, and I mean no offense, but that's how it seems to me.

[tomegun]

Scrapper1, I don't know what is wrong with BZ today, but he is refusing to see anything other than his own opinion.

I think there are some valid points in this thread, but I don't think it is possible to say one way or the other that one group dislikes the other.

Rut, you know I've lived in various locations and I find your comments surprising. I talked with one of my partners (he currently works for the future NCAA supervisor and lives in Miss.) on Monday and another partner (he used to live in the St. Louis area) on Thursday about this - not the first times this discussion has come up. The perception by many, with some actual examples, is the Midwest is the easiest place to break into D1 in the country. Your post paints an opposite picture. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do know guys who've lived in that region and one who moved there and advanced quickly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Scrapper1, I don't know what is wrong with BZ today, but he is refusing to see anything other than his own opinion.

I think there are some valid points in this thread, but I don't think it is possible to say one way or the other that one group dislikes the other.

Rut, you know I've lived in various locations and I find your comments surprising. I talked with one of my partners (he currently works for the future NCAA supervisor and lives in Miss.) on Monday and another partner (he used to live in the St. Louis area) on Thursday about this - not the first times this discussion has come up. The perception by many, with some actual examples, is the Midwest is the easiest place to break into D1 in the country. Your post paints an opposite picture. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do know guys who've lived in that region and one who moved there and advanced quickly.

First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

Peace

So your comments were about the Chicago area - fair enough.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

So your comments were about the Chicago area - fair enough.

I cannot speak about any other area I do not live. And with supervisors completely changing around here, I seriously doubt it is going to be "easy" to get hired. There might be more games around here to work, but not an easy road by any stretch of the imagination.

Peace

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all my comments were not about the entire Midwest. I cannot speak for the entire Midwest. Conference assignments are made based on everything from where you live to where the conference is located. And in order to work D1 in where I live, it is hard to get to that level if you are not working D2 and D3. And when the future NCAA Supervisor says, "I do not need any Chicago guys (for his D2 conference) but if you live in Kansas City, Missouri, he can use that is not true across all parts of the Midwest. Also I live in the Chicago area so I am not judged by everyone in the Midwest, I am judged by other officials in this area.

As someone who has worked on the West and East Coasts, you are correct, Jeff. It is hard to make D-1 on the West Coast. Not many schools and conferences at all NCAA and JC levels.

Location is very important for lower D-1. Typically, if someone retires or is dropped, the supervisor will look for a replacement in roughly the same geographical area. It is exceptionally more important for D-2 and D-3, where travel budgets are tighter.

The rest of this discussion is funny. There are arrogant college officials, and jealous HS officials. If you can call the game, you can call the game. But the speed and pressures during a HS game compared to even low-level college games is the difference between Jr. High and Varsity. You have to go through the same vetting process in college, and it is every bit as tough and painful as when we all started in HS.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

But the speed and pressures during a HS game compared to even low-level college games is the difference between Jr. High and Varsity.

You don't get out much do you? That's another generalization that's a complete load of doo-doo imo. I've seen many D3 and JUCO teams that would get killed by any good high school program. I've also seen good teams at that level that would beat most high school programs.

You have to rate teams individually, the same way that you rate officials.

[26 Year Gap]

Why do I get the feeling that Joey Crawford just pulled a "Get In. Get Done. Get Out." on all of us?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Why do I get the feeling that Joey Crawford just pulled a "Get In. Get Done. Get Out." on all of us?

Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.

[JoeyCrawford]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.

Thats comical.

[26 Year Gap]

Like this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford

Thats comical.

Naw, it's not really that funny.

That's what we call people that make nonsensical statements with no other intent than stirring up sh!t. Your blanket statement denigrating high school officials that started this thread is a good example of that.

Until you prove otherwise, by maybe adding something positive to this forum in the way of rules, mechanics, officiating philosophy, etc, you will be regarded as nothing but a troll.

Joey Crawford was the wrong name to pick as a nom de net, my friend. Not very apt, at all.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Joey is a troll. And not a very good one either.

Mark Padgett use to pull this over on McGriffs every now and then just for giggles.

No Hoey (or whatever) may be on to something.

I am a college official, and I am a high school official. I really dislike myself sometimes.