Why do High School officials dislike College officials so much?

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I completely agree with Jurassic that doing JC ball is not for the money. And in every case, every official is different... You really can't generalize.

From one HS association, I have refs who think I don't deserve to be there because I'm relatively young to officiating (experience wise). From another association, I have refs who think highly of me now because I now work at the JUCO level.

I want to share one of my experiences with you guys....

I did a JC game this season that took me about 8+ hours and got paid only $115. Take $35 dollars our of the $115 for gas because round trip from work to gym and back home is about 260 miles. I make about $120 dollars doing two local varsity games that'll take me 3 hour at most and 5 minute of travel time.

So tip off is 6pm on a Friday night. Our JC association requires us to get there at least 1 hour before tip off. I assumed the drive will take about 2 hours without traffic. On Friday afternoon, you never know what the roads will be like. I left work at about 2:00 pm to give myself ample of time for travel. The drive took just about 3 hours. I got there right around 5:00. Game ended at about 7:45pm. After our post-game talk and shower, I left the gym at about 8:30PM. Got home at 10:15ish

The gym had about 30 fans and that was it. It was cold and empty. But JC college games will always take precedence over any hs games - despite of an 8+ hour trip.

Nice Post. I'm too in the same boat as you. ON my 3rd season of D3 and JC. Some hate you others still like you in the association. Our age is one thing because were young and the other is we have been given the opportunity some others who are older than us have tried hard to get to, but didnt. I'm the same way Marco. You know I will drive anywhere to work a college game and give back the h.s. game. Our assignor doesnt mind. He always reminds us for those who work College and need to give back an h.s. game he doesnt have a problem as long as we give him time in advance. Damn Marco 260 miles!!! I went 320 last year!!! LOL!!!

[Texas Aggie]

Virtually all of our varsity officials fall into one of 3 categories:

1) they are a college official
2) working on being a college official
3) has no interest in being a college official, including those that have worked college and don't now for whatever reason -- travel, time, lack of interest, etc.

I don't get any hint of animosity between any of the groups, personally. If you can work, you can work, and most guys take notice of that fact alone. There's more issues concerning personality than there are with being or not being a college official.

[Dan_ref]

I had a discussion with a long time full schedule D1 guy recently. He works 6 or 7 HS games a year and at the end of every season he gets calls begging him to take HS playoff games. He said he doesn't like to do HS playoffs because it's a no-win situation. If he does well they say he should do well, he's a D1 guy. If he doesn't they'll point and say look, the D1 guy f'ed it up. But that's the way it is, generally the assignors want the best people possible to work their games, it makes them look good.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

But that's the way it is, generally the assignors want the best people possible to work their games, it makes them look good.

Up to a point imo.....

I don't want to piss off the people that have bailed my azz out all season long right up to the playoffs. If they've done a good job for me, I owe them. And I don't want to lose them. If they can do the job.... maybe not quite as well as the D1 guy but still do the job.... then I'll use 'em.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Up to a point imo.....

I don't want to piss off the people that have bailed my azz out all season long right up to the playoffs. If they've done a good job for me, I owe them. And I don't want to lose them. If they can do the job.... maybe not quite as well as the D1 guy but still do the job.... then I'll use 'em.

That's the way I expect the system to run. Its fair and it offers both sides some latitude. The assignors get bailed out by certain guys and in turn they owe them. Assuming they "can" work the game, I would expect them to get first crack over me since they are owed one. But I can see some guys whining about this. Just because we are officials doesn't mean there are none in our ranks with coaches syndrome. You know they whiny, complaining type.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Virtually all of our varsity officials fall into one of 3 categories:

1) they are a college official
2) working on being a college official
3) has no interest in being a college official, including those that have worked college and don't now for whatever reason -- travel, time, lack of interest, etc.

I don't get any hint of animosity between any of the groups, personally. If you can work, you can work, and most guys take notice of that fact alone. There's more issues concerning personality than there are with being or not being a college official.

Same in our area. i watch alot of hoops so i run into the "top dogs" often. they are also the collge guys in our area. They have never been nothing but cool with me and I have never heard anyone complain about the playoff games and who gets them. Our Assoc. also does a good job of getting the up and comers into the mix.

[blindzebra]

Gee I'll bet that if you had a guy that worked 8 lower level college games and a full HS schedule get a college post season assignment over a guy that worked a full lower level college schedule that college guy would be busting a vein screaming bloody murder about it.

That is why there is friction, college officials just assume they are better officials and in many cases it just isn't true.

In a lot of cases they are young and have "the look" the assignor was looking for and they figured they could mold them into a good ref. But for every inexperienced "look" ref working college there are dozens of experienced HS officials that can call a better game.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I don't think that one can make the blanket statement that officials that only officiate high school basketball dislike college officials.

Officials of amateur contests can be divided into the following categories:

1) Officials that only officiate at the high school level and below.

2) Officials that officiate a mixed schedule of high school and college.

3) Officials that only officiate at the college level.

The percentage of H.S. and college games for a Group #2 official can vary from official to official.

It has been my experience that there is a small group of officials in both Groups #2 and #3, that think that they walk on water. These schmucks can give the rest of the members in those two groups a bad name.

I have also found that there is a small group of officials on Group #1 that resent officials who are in Groups #2 and #3 because they think that they should be officiating at the college level and they are not. These are the officials that do not know the rules or casebook plays, their mechanics are terrible and resent officials (Group #1, #2, and #3) who do know the rules and apply them correctly and use correct mechanics. These officials will always be with us and there is not much one can do about it.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Gee I'll bet that if you had a guy that worked 8 lower level college games and a full HS schedule get a college post season assignment over a guy that worked a full lower level college schedule that college guy would be busting a vein screaming bloody murder about it.

Why would you bet on this? That is a HUGE assumption. If the "college" guy misses the playoffs, you can bet there's a reason -- probably connected to his full "lower level" schedule. If the "HS" guy gets a college post-season assignment, you can bet there's a reason -- he's a good official who only has college availability on weekends, perhaps. Your bias against "college" officials is showing in your assumption here.

That is why there is friction, college officials just assume they are better officials and in many cases it just isn't true.

Again, a HUGE assumption. Not ALL college officials assume that they're better than ALL high school officials. Again, this is just a biased comment. You can't have met enough "college" officials with this attitude to apply it to a few thousand people nationwide.

JMO, but I think your comments show the resentment that I spoke about in my first post in this thread.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford

I have seen this for about 2 years now and am so glad I got out of H.S. basketball.

Please tell me this happens elsewhere???

I think you are generalizing.

When I was in my first 5 years of officiating, there were some officials who worked higher levels that I really enjoyed. They were helpful and gracious. They mentored the less experienced officials and helped raise the talent level of our group.

There were also some other guys who gave the impression that we were lucky to be able to be in their presence. They did not give anything back to our group.

Now that I do a little college ball, I would like to think that I am one who gives back to our high school group and helps raise our talent level.

We have guys who have given back HS games because they picked up a college game. That is an accepted practice around here. On the flip side, I gave back my last CC game of the year (with my assignor's blessing) so that I could go to one of our HS state tournaments this year.

So to sum up all my babbling, it depends on the individual.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford

I have seen this for about 2 years now and am so glad I got out of H.S. basketball.

Please tell me this happens elsewhere???

I like college officials.

I don't like newbies who take a pro official's name as his user name.

[JoeyCrawford]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I like college officials.

I don't like newbies who take a pro official's name as his user name.

1. You don't know me.
2. I never said one word to you so.
3. I could give a rats behind if you don't like me.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JoeyCrawford

1. You don't know me.
2. I never said one word to you so.
3. I could give a rats behind if you don't like me.

Got news for ya, it's a discussion board. I can make fun of you whether I know you, whether you've addressed me, or whether you're a rat's @$$ or not.

If was a joke, lighten up, Francis.

[JoeyCrawford]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Got news for ya, it's a discussion board. I can make fun of you whether I know you, whether you've addressed me, or whether you're a rat's @$$ or not.

If was a joke, lighten up, Francis.

My point exactly!