What NFHS rule talks about re-establishing in-bounds?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I thought it was legal to grant the TO as the player is saving the ball from oob? But then if she did come down inbounds, why not grant the TO? I don't understand your thinking here?

It's not legal in college. I didn't grant the timeout because she was going out bounds but the last second stretched her landing foot inbounds then hopped oob, but I already called the oob violation when she landed. I was moreless concentrating on her calling timeout, knowing she can't be granted the timeout while saving the ball from going oob. It was a weird play and probably the only one who saw her land inbounds for that split second was me and the opposing coach because it was right in front her bench. The player didn't even know where she landed, I just kicked it.

[just another ref]

Last night, BV A1 is pushing the ball up, guarded by B1 frontcourt tableside. I was trail, close behind the play. A1 trying to turn the corner, but B1 beats him to the spot, and sets up, hands straight up, apparently hoping to draw the charge, probably 2 feet from the sideline. A1 tries to avoid him, but there is a bump and he staggers backward, sideways, out of bounds, as the ball goes on without him. B1 freezes, looking at me with the deer in the headlights look. A1 alertly jumps back inbounds and grabs the ball, which is now behind B1. I have nothing. Partner is lead, outside the endline on the far side of the lane, probably
at least 40 feet away. He whistles a violation from there. "No, he can't come back in like that."

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

It's not legal in college. I didn't grant the timeout because she was going out bounds but the last second stretched her landing foot inbounds then hopped oob, but I already called the oob violation when she landed. I was moreless concentrating on her calling timeout, knowing she can't be granted the timeout while saving the ball from going oob. It was a weird play and probably the only one who saw her land inbounds for that split second was me and the opposing coach because it was right in front her bench. The player didn't even know where she landed, I just kicked it.

Joe - remember, in NCAA-W, you cannot grant the TO if the player is in the air going OOB. If they still have one foot on the floor in-bounds, you can still grant the TO even though they are falling OOB.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Joe - remember, in NCAA-W, you cannot grant the TO if the player is in the air going OOB. If they still have one foot on the floor in-bounds, you can still grant the TO even though they are falling OOB.

What part of Joe stating "I just kicked it" did you fail to understand?

Pay attention. We may have a test later on. Or maybe a poll......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What part of Joe stating "I just kicked it" did you fail to understand?

Pay attention. We may have a test later on. Or maybe a poll......

I vote for a long boring discussion.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What part of Joe stating "I just kicked it" did you fail to understand?

Pay attention. We may have a test later on. Or maybe a poll......

I saw he said that. What I wasn't clear on was how he kicked it.

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I was moreless concentrating on her calling timeout, knowing she can't be granted the timeout while saving the ball from going oob.

This is the statement I was trying to clarify. In NCAA-W you can grant a TO to a player that is falling OOB, as long as one foot is still on the floor in-bounds. We are told to ignore the request if the player is off the floor while going OOB. Subtle difference. If he knows that, then I'll just fade off into the woodwork. (And, no, we don't need a poll to see how many want me to fade off into the woodwork...)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

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We are told to ignore the request if the player is off the floor while going OOB. Subtle difference.

The difference is that the airborne player requesting the TO landed in-bounds after she made the request. In that case, you have to grant it, by rule, n'est-ce pas? Joe didn't and that's where he kicked it.

I think that's what Joe was saying. Note the "think".

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The difference is that the airborne player requesting the TO landed in-bounds after she made the request. In that case, you have to grant it, by rule, n'est-ce pas? Joe didn't and that's where he kicked it.

For those of you who don't know French, that means 'nicht wahr'.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

It's not legal in college. I didn't grant the timeout because she was going out bounds but the last second stretched her landing foot inbounds then hopped oob, but I already called the oob violation when she landed. I was moreless concentrating on her calling timeout, knowing she can't be granted the timeout while saving the ball from going oob. It was a weird play and probably the only one who saw her land inbounds for that split second was me and the opposing coach because it was right in front her bench. The player didn't even know where she landed, I just kicked it.

So really, you shouldn't have called an OOB violation, you should have just ignored her time-out request. Then since she landed inbounds you could have called a travel (if it applied) or granted the time-out since she was still inbounds?

Am I correct in this thinking?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So really, you shouldn't have called an OOB violation, you should have just ignored her time-out request. Then since she landed inbounds you could have called a travel (if it applied) or granted the time-out since she was still inbounds?

Am I correct in this thinking?

You're correct in this thinking. I should've called the time out.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

You're correct in this thinking. I should've called the time out.

Ok, then.

I'm headin' back to the woodwork.