NFHS Rules - Out of Bounds Violation

[Stat-Man]

Saw this last night in a 6GB CYO Game.

A1 has the ball close to sideline and A2 passes by him and in doing so, goes out of bounds for about 3 feet before coming back in. upon re-entering inbounds, the official calsl A2 for coming inbounds after being out of bounds.

Is this how the new rule for unauthorized out of bounds violations should be applied?

(The weird part is, A2 has no reason to go out of bounds, just kind of did it as if he didn't know where he was on the floor ).

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Saw this last night in a 6GB CYO Game.

A1 has the ball close to sideline and A2 passes by him and in doing so, goes out of bounds for about 3 feet before coming back in. upon re-entering inbounds, the official calsl A2 for coming inbounds after being out of bounds.

Is this how the new rule for unauthorized out of bounds violations should be applied?

(The weird part is, A2 has no reason to go out of bounds, just kind of did it as if he didn't know where he was on the floor ).

Almost. The violation occurs, and should draw a whistle, as soon as the offending player leaves the court.
Learned this one the hard way!!!

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Almost. The violation occurs, and should draw a whistle, as soon as the offending player leaves the court.
Learned this one the hard way!!!

Still, I don't know if I'd call this on a confused 6th grader.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

Still, I don't know if I'd call this on a confused 6th grader.

Me either. If I see him do it a couple of times, I might mention it to the coach. It's like traveling in 6th grade; unless there's a real advantage gained, I'm less inclined to call it (depending on the skill level, of course).

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Me either. If I see him do it a couple of times, I might mention it to the coach. It's like traveling in 6th grade; unless there's a real advantage gained, I'm less inclined to call it (depending on the skill level, of course).

Thanks. I opted not to buy new NFHS rulebooks this year, so I wasn't sure if this rule was worded in a way that leaving the court was an automatic violation, or if there had to be (in the official's judgment) some sort of advantage/disadvantage to it. [Note to self: Buy updated NFHS materials for 07-08 ]

I also seem to recall in NCAA rules, they had a case where a player goes out of bounds to avoid contact and it was considered a no call unless there an official judged it to be deceiving or an advantage gained by the player going OOB.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Almost. The violation occurs, and should draw a whistle, as soon as the offending player leaves the court.
Learned this one the hard way!!!

Where do you coach? I work with a guy whose niece plays for West Springfield. (I'm down in Hampton Roads).

BTW, yes, it is an immediate violation in FED rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Saw this last night in a 6GB CYO Game.

A1 has the ball close to sideline and A2 passes by him and in doing so, goes out of bounds for about 3 feet before coming back in. upon re-entering inbounds, the official calsl A2 for coming inbounds after being out of bounds.

Is this how the new rule for unauthorized out of bounds violations should be applied?

(The weird part is, A2 has no reason to go out of bounds, just kind of did it as if he didn't know where he was on the floor ).

Whether the game is played under NFHS or NCAA Men's/Women's rules, A2 did not commit a violation unless, A2 went out-of-bounds to gain an advantage that the rules do not permit, such as avoiding a screen by a defender or attempting to confuse the defense by being out-of-bounds.

Officials have gotten so bent out-of-shape about this rule over nothing. If A2 had run out-of-bounds to avoid running an official over, has he committed a violation? No he has not. The key to this rule is: Did the player gain an illegal advantage? If he did not, then there is no violation.

MTD, Sr.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Where do you coach? I work with a guy whose niece plays for West Springfield. (I'm down in Hampton Roads).

BTW, yes, it is an immediate violation in FED rules.

BNR: Took a big pay cut and retired from coaching AAU last summer to start officiating

Grew up with Bill Gibson the GV coach at West Spfld. My oldest son plays for Edison and is also one heck of an official. Have you ever heard of a 15 yo CERTIFIED VHSL official? Also have a 13yo 'patched' VHSL registered!! Got a 3rd (12 yo) getting feet wet w/ spring house league this year.
Starting a ref dynasty up here in DC area. Hope your season is going well

Later

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by justacoach

BNR: Took a big pay cut and retired from coaching AAU last summer to start officiating

Grew up with Bill Gibson the GV coach at West Spfld. My oldest son plays for Edison and is also one heck of an official. Have you ever heard of a 15 yo CERTIFIED VHSL official? Also have a 13yo 'patched' VHSL registered!! Got a 3rd (12 yo) getting feet wet w/ spring house league this year.
Starting a ref dynasty up here in DC area. Hope your season is going well

Later

How did you get them to comprehend officiating at that young an age?
I have a 14 year-old whom I would like to get involved in officiating but not sure how to go about that.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How did you get them to comprehend officiating at that young an age?
I have a 14 year-old whom I would like to get involved in officiating but not sure how to go about that.

BNR

Check your PM

[crazy voyager]

I am 16 in a few weeks. I finished my basic training the 20september 2004. So I've been calling games since I was, 14.
And I'm not the first one to be that young calling games, how ever I am one of the youngest to take what we call districts referee training (starting this next week). This certifies officials to call games up to the second division men and women. I never call games where the players are older then 18 though. I'm starting to get higher games though so we'll see what happens.
I'm not sure I have never seen or heard of an official who is 12 years old though...