False Multiple ??

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I think that most of us would agree that fouls during a dead ball are ignored unless they are intentional, or flagrant.

Boys varsity game this week. White team down by about ten with a few minutes to go. White team is trying to foul Red team to stop clock. Red team is doing a good job at playing "keep away". White player reaches in and slaps Red player on the arm. As I'm putting some air into the whistle to call a common foul, the White player grabs the jersey of the Red player, who he has already fouled, but Red is about to get by the White player, thus the jersey grab. The sound of my whistle and the jersey grab happen at the same time.

Do I just call the common foul, and ignore the jersey grab?
Do I only call the intentional foul for the jersey grab, and forget about the common foul?
Do I call both the common foul, and the intentional foul?

Two types of answers please, common sense (spirit, intent, advantage, disadvantage) answers, and rule book answers, with citations, please.

I apologize to the Forum members who have read this, or posted a comment on it. Now that I have re-read the original post, I don't think that I gave enough information:

The foul by White player was the usual, simple, attempt to stop the clock, and the foul, or fouls, was one motion, from the forearm, to the jersey, in just a few milliseconds. During my reaction time to observe the first foul, and blow the whistle, the second foul occurrred immediatlely after the first, appearing as one foul. Keep in mind that everyone in the gym saw the jersey grab as the Red player started a move to the basket.

By the way, I only called an intentional foul, for the jersey grab, which the White coach didn't have a major problem with, other than asking my partner why it was intentional.

Here's what came to my mind after the game:

Let's say that I stick with my original call, at least in my brain, a common foul. The Red coach asks, "What about the jersey grab being intentional?". I can't reply that a foul during a dead ball must be flagrant or intentional, because it was intentional. What's my answer to him?

By the book, I believe that this should be a common foul, followed by an intentional technical foul. But I've never seeen this called before, and it seems overly officious.

Going with the intentional foul only seems to me like the best way. The Red coach is happy because his team gets two shots, and the ball. The White coach is happy because his team, and his player, wasn't charged with two fouls, the common, and the intentional, which would have taken some explaining for this overly officious call. The only problem that I have with the one intentional foul is that it's a lie. I originally put air in my whistle for the common foul, and ended up reporting an intentional foul.

Again, please keep in mind that the foul, or fouls, was only one motion that only took a few milliseconds, and that everybody in the gyn saw the jersey grab.

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