T Worthy?

[Kelvin green]

So was it a weak foul?

Sometimes we make mariginal calls and have to face the truth...

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

So was it a weak foul?

Sometimes we make mariginal calls and have to face the truth...

So you allow 17 y/o kids to verbally question whether you made a weak call or not?

[Kelvin green]

Depends on how he said it. But if it was a marginal call it was a mraginal call... If we have a good dialogue ir he is a captain I may tell him I'll watch closer... Just because he is 17 does not mean he was wrong and that we are always right.

[JoeTheRef]

If it was a weak call that you knew it was weak when you put air in the whistle and the coach or player/captain whoever, says it was a weak call, are you still T'ing him up for that remark? We've all put air in the whistle on a foul, or better yet an anticipated foul, that we wish we didn't. I guess I'm in Kelvin's camp on this.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

If it was a weak call that you knew it was weak when you put air in the whistle and the coach or player/captain whoever, says it was a weak call, are you still T'ing him up for that remark?

The first call might have been weak.That doesn't mean that the second call....the one for the "T"..... is also a weak call. You penalize the act. Period. And the act is a player popping off at you. You decide yourself whether that act is "T"-worthy or not.

As BktBallRef said, any call that we make doesn't subsequently give anybody free rein to dump on us. They pay their money; they takes their chances.

[BktBallRef]

No, it means he's a player who's purpose is to play the game, not make smart@ss comments to officials.

If a captain has a question and asks in an appropriate manner, that's one thing. But a kid walking by and popping off on his way to the bench?

I don't think so.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

I try to show some tolerance in these situations. If a kid walks by me and simply says "That's a weak foul" and isn't talking to me then he's not gonna get a T. Who's to say he is not saying that it was a weak foul as in it didn't keep the kid from making the layup. A patient whistle is needed here.

You need to reread BOTH of my posts.

I didn't advocate sticking the kid. I said I would warn the coach that he needed to shut the kid up. if he doesn't, he'd better hope the kid doesn't pop off again.

My comment was regard to Kelvin's suggestion that we consider whether the kid is right or not. Sorry, that's not his job, it's mine. And I may listen to the coach if he has a concern but I'm not listening to a 17 y/o tell me I made a weak call.

[BillyMac]

Is the thread title T Worthy, or J Worthy?

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[JugglingReferee]

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Depends on how he said it. But if it was a marginal call it was a mraginal call... If we have a good dialogue ir he is a captain I may tell him I'll watch closer... Just because he is 17 does not mean he was wrong and that we are always right.

You can do what you want, but I'm not letting a 17 year old kid talk to me any kind of way. I guess that right there would be one of my absolutes.

[Coltdoggs]

I'm in the camp that says I don't want smartazh, mouthy kids talking chit to me...

Something I like to say to the players is something like..."Hey, let your coach complain to me about the calls...you'll keep yourself and your team outta trouble...just focus on playing ball, ok?"