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Old Sat Jan 26, 2008, 11:25am
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They must have called a LOT of fouls:O
how ever, if a team only has one player left then that team loses the game.
21 Lose by default
21.1 Rule
A team shall lose a game by default if, during the game, the team has fewer than two (2) players on the playing court ready to play.
21.2 Penalty
21.2.1 If the team to wich the game is awarded is ahed, the score shall stand as at the time when the game was stopped. If the team to wich the game is awarded is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as two to zero (2 to 0) in its favour. The defaulting team shall recive one (1) point in the classification.
21.2.2 For a two-game (home and away) total point series, the team that defaults in the first or in the second game shall lose the series by 'default'.

So they made it right, if they only have one player left, they lose. No matter how little time it is left.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:43pm
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smells like a fish -- unless they only had 5 players to begin with and all 3 fouled out in the first half.

also it would conceivably end if the team with 5 hits all 3 free throws -- B cannot inbounds the ball.

but in this stitch i gotta give b their last 6 seconds especially since they are winning.

It's not B who is winning it's A. Team B down three at the time.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:57pm
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It's not B who is winning it's A. Team B down three at the time.
The OP says Team A is up by 3 and has 1 player....
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 09:24am
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Went to see a Varsity contest. Competitive game until the end.

Situation: Team-A is up by three 62-59 with 6.3 seconds remaining. With only two players left to finish the game. Team B's ball. As time is winding down A-12 fouls B-10. To prevent team b from getting a 3 point shot off. The foul count is H-5 V-6.

This is where it gets crazy as the official reports the foul on A-12 the table notifies the official(s) that it’s A-12 fifth foul which DQ's A-12. So now team A is left with one player. The officials realize team A has one player left decides to end the game.

Coach says to the officials loud enough for the entire gym to hear. You can’t call the game we are winning by 3.

Referee replies: Yes, I can by rule when you have only one player left to play. The game can be called and the officials leave the visual confines of the court.

Looking at the NOTE under rule 3-1-1. With team A up by three the game should have been finished giving A the opportunity to win the game.

Thoughts?
I call BS on this story. A varsity team with either 5 or 6 team fouls in the second half is down to two players? Either they committed about 30 fouls in the first half or there was some six-way collision where they all banged heads and got knocked out. Neither is too plausible.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 10:35am
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I call BS on this story. A varsity team with either 5 or 6 team fouls in the second half is down to two players? Either they committed about 30 fouls in the first half or there was some six-way collision where they all banged heads and got knocked out. Neither is too plausible.
..or a flagrant or two.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 11:01am
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I call BS on this story. A varsity team with either 5 or 6 team fouls in the second half is down to two players? Either they committed about 30 fouls in the first half or there was some six-way collision where they all banged heads and got knocked out. Neither is too plausible.
Fouls are not the only thing that causes a team to play with less than 5 players. I had a game a week ago Tue. that at half time a player had a breathing problem resulting in the EMTs being called. Early in the third quarter a player twisted and ankle resulting in an inability to play. In 4th quarter 2nd player with breathing problems. There was also 1 player who did foul out. So they came with 7 players, 1 fouled out, 3 with "physical" problems so we completed the game with 5 playing 3.

Just saying the possibility does exist.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 11:12am
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Fouls are not the only thing that causes a team to play with less than 5 players. I had a game a week ago Tue. that at half time a player had a breathing problem resulting in the EMTs being called. Early in the third quarter a player twisted and ankle resulting in an inability to play. In 4th quarter 2nd player with breathing problems. There was also 1 player who did foul out. So they came with 7 players, 1 fouled out, 3 with "physical" problems so we completed the game with 5 playing 3.

Just saying the possibility does exist.
How about several players get ejected for fighting.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 12:59pm
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How about several players get ejected for fighting.
Granted. But the fact that the OP hasn't provided a link to an article confirms my doubt of this story.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:21pm
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Granted. But the fact that the OP hasn't provided a link to an article confirms my doubt of this story.
C'mon...! ...A link ? There may not be a local paper, no less a local paper with a web site.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 09:53am
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My first thought is... YOU ACTUALLY SAW THIS??

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Went to see a Varsity contest. Competitive game until the end.

Situation: Team-A is up by three 62-59 with 6.3 seconds remaining. With only two players left to finish the game. Team B's ball. As time is winding down A-12 fouls B-10. To prevent team b from getting a 3 point shot off. The foul count is H-5 V-6.

This is where it gets crazy as the official reports the foul on A-12 the table notifies the official(s) that it’s A-12 fifth foul which DQ's A-12. So now team A is left with one player. The officials realize team A has one player left decides to end the game.

Coach says to the officials loud enough for the entire gym to hear. You can’t call the game we are winning by 3.

Referee replies: Yes, I can by rule when you have only one player left to play. The game can be called and the officials leave the visual confines of the court.

Looking at the NOTE under rule 3-1-1. With team A up by three the game should have been finished giving A the opportunity to win the game.

Thoughts?
sounds like a one in a million happening.

Play should continue if Team A is believed to have a chance to win.
I would assume that having a 3 point lead with 6.3 seconds to play would constitute having a chance.

Scenario A
So, if Team B inbounds ( hey they aren't in the bonus after the other team has fouled out a bunch of guys??) and hits a 2, Team (Player) A inbounds and tosses ball to mid-court. Team B grabs and tries a last second try that misses. Game over Team A wins.

Scenario B
Team B inbounds, hits a 3 pointer. Game tied. I'll give A the benefit of the doubt and let them try to throw inbounds pass off of Team B leg, and maybe get fouled...
But if clock expires while tied, this game is over.

Whacky scenario C
Team B inbounds, hits a 2. Coach from B calls a time out. Team B coach tells his players "don't touch the inbounds pass!!!" "force a violation, we'll get it back and win" Team A player gently tosses the ball in the backcourt with say, 2.0 seconds left on the clock. Ball bounces about 12 times and finally comes to rest in the backcourt. Both coaches yell "don't touch it"....
How long do you wait before doing WHAT?
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 10:01am
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Whacky scenario C
Team B inbounds, hits a 2. Coach from B calls a time out. Team B coach tells his players "don't touch the inbounds pass!!!" "force a violation, we'll get it back and win" Team A player gently tosses the ball in the backcourt with say, 2.0 seconds left on the clock. Ball bounces about 12 times and finally comes to rest in the backcourt. Both coaches yell "don't touch it"....
How long do you wait before doing WHAT?
Warn Team B for delay?
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:01pm
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Whacky scenario C
Team B inbounds, hits a 2. Coach from B calls a time out. Team B coach tells his players "don't touch the inbounds pass!!!" "force a violation, we'll get it back and win" Team A player gently tosses the ball in the backcourt with say, 2.0 seconds left on the clock. Ball bounces about 12 times and finally comes to rest in the backcourt. Both coaches yell "don't touch it"....
How long do you wait before doing WHAT?
If it's obvious that they won't touch it, blow the whistle, explain the consequences of 5-4-1 and readminister the throw-in.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:14pm
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If it's obvious that they won't touch it, blow the whistle, explain the consequences of 5-4-1 and readminister the throw-in.
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:38pm
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Do you actually think I would create a situation like this for the He!! of it? Give me a break. I don't know how many fouls were called in the 1st Half. I wasn't present in the first half. I just told you the situation from the second half until the end. One would think you could not have this occur at the varsity level until you actually witness yourself. I did!!
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Old Fri Jan 25, 2008, 01:42pm
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Do you actually think I would create a situation like this for the He!! of it? Give me a break. I don't know how many fouls were called in the 1st Half. I wasn't present in the first half. I just told you the situation from the second half until the end. One would think you could not have this occur at the varsity level until you actually witness yourself. I did!!
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