Backcourt violation rule change? (over and back)

[Zoochy]

The only thing that was missing was the coach's brain.
Did he look like a scarecrow?
Was he from Kansas?

[Nevadaref]

You made the right call, but for the wrong reason.
Once the player picks up the ball and ceases to be a dribbler, the three points principle no longer applies. That rule is only for a player who is dribbling the ball. BTW it has not changed.

The relevant rules for this play are the ones governing ball and player location. The player location rule is 4-35. Articles 1 and 2 state that if the player is touching the floor in the backcourt, then that player is in the backcourt. When this is combined with 4-4-1, the appropriate ball location rule, it becomes clear that the ball and player remained in the backcourt during the entire play. Therefore, no violation of 9-9, the backcourt rule, could have taken place.

PS The 10-second count should continue.

[ranjo]

If the player jump-stopped by picking up her dribble, jumping off one foot and landing on two, and then pivots - I have a travel.

[HL Clippenchain]

Originally Posted by ranjo

If the player jump-stopped by picking up her dribble, jumping off one foot and landing on two, and then pivots - I have a travel.

Thanks for responding. The jump stop was fine, though, and the pivot was fine. The only issue at hand is the backcourt situation.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by HL Clippenchain

Thanks for responding. The jump stop was fine, though, and the pivot was fine. The only issue at hand is the backcourt situation.

No, if she jump stopped and pivoted it is a travel. It is not fine.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Scooby

No, if she jump stopped and pivoted it is a travel. It is not fine.

As always, your statement depends on the definition of "jump stop". If she jumped, caught the ball (ending her dribble) and landed on two feet -- one type of jump stop -- and then pivoted, that's perfectly legal.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

As always, your statement depends on the definition of "jump stop". If she jumped, caught the ball (ending her dribble) and landed on two feet -- one type of jump stop -- and then pivoted, that's perfectly legal.

A jump stop is defined by the rule book, it is not my definition or yours. If you mean something else, other than a jump stop, use another term. That is like says it depends on what you mean by a dribble.

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by Scooby

No, if she jump stopped and pivoted it is a travel. It is not fine.

See casebook play 4.44.2 SITUATION A

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Scooby

No, if she jump stopped and pivoted it is a travel. It is not fine.

And where do I find this "jump stop" definition in the rule book?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by ranjo

If the player jump-stopped by picking up her dribble, jumping off one foot and landing on two, and then pivots - I have a travel.

That's what i have if I understand this correctly.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PS The 10-second count should continue.

Maybe we start a closely guarded count...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

zoiks!! in a girls game?
Maybe we start a closely guarded count...

You are a new official, so perhaps you are just making a joke or perhaps you aren't aware that CA is one of the very few states that employs a shot clock at the HS level and hence doesn't have a bc 10-sec count in girls games, but does have a closely guarded count there. Most of the rest of the states in the nation don't do it the way that CA does.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You are a new official, so perhaps you are just making a joke or perhaps you aren't aware that CA is one of the very few states that employs a shot clock at the HS level and hence doesn't have a bc 10-sec count in girls games, but does have a closely guarded count there. Most of the rest of the states in the nation don't do it the way that CA does.

...ignorance on my part.

wurd!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

...ignorance on my part.

Amazingly, I find this to be the case with a large number of officials from CA. Since all the games that they work and see on TV (NCAA and NBA) employ a shot clock, the concept of conducting a basketball game without one is hard for them to comprehend.

They are flat-out shocked to learn that 43 of the 50 states do NOT use a shot clock for HS games!

Hopefully, these last two posts blew your mind this morning. It's always fun to have one of those eye-opening moments.

[jdw3018]

I remember how shocked I was to learn that there were states that do use the shot clock in HS basketball. It was just a foreign concept to me!