Partner called Travel OOB?

[deecee]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

It's over the line because of what you're asking some who is not only new to officiating but also young. I don't know how things are where you are, but there is a shortage of good officials where I am.

How does this makes this young official a good official in the future?



By allowing a rule to be kick because of a veteran official misapplication of a rule. I think it hurts more than help this young official. In the future, he may not ever attempt to stand by a what he believe is correct because of someone's veteran status. Because he will always remember this time in which a veteran overturn his call. Officiating is about developing confidence too just in case you have forgotten.

By this official being young it can cause second guessing too in the future when it comes to rule application due to the status of his partner(s).

So, I still stand by what I said.

It's just as wrong to kick a rule.

Do you condone a full on argument at half court -- or any part of the court -- between the 2 officials? sometimes you gotta get in and get out. Him arguing would not have changed anything except to get Billy Bob to start into more weight throwing during the rest of the game.

[BayStateRef]

The last time I had a partner try to make up a rule that did not exist, I went to him privately and told him the proper rule. He insisted he was right. I told him that I if I was right, I got his game fee; if he was right, he got mine. It was amazing how suddenly he was not so sure about the proper rule, This discussion took less than 15 seconds.

If that does not work, I agree that the officials cannot continue to argue over the proper rule. Accept the call and move on.

A quick aside....the most uncomfortable "disagreement" I have been party to on a court was at a youth travel league a few years ago. I started what was to be the first of three games with an official, when a third official comes into the gym. There was no doubt I was at the proper gym...but the other two guys both swore they had the assignment too. The latecomer heads over to the school next door, where other games in that league are being played. Ten minutes later he comes back, saying those games are covered, and insisting that this is his game. I have to "referee" this match over who works (and who gets the game fees.) We had already stopped the game once to deal with this...and now the third guy insists that we stop it again so that he can take over. He won't stop. I tell him to wait until halftime; to wait for the next game; to go home and deal with the assignor. It took way too long before he left in a huff.

A couple of hours later the assignor showed up. He had made a mistake and did assign both guys to the same gym. I realize some officials work only for the money...and to lose $120 in fees matters to some. But it was real uncomfortable to watch.

[archangel]

Showed up to work frosh/JV games. Between those games the scorekeeper mentioned that we were doing a great job compared to the officials working games there earlier (thinking, oh oh, here comes the complaining!). He then said that those officials (both had left before we arrived) got in a halfcourt shoving match w/ each other, both shouting "Its your job" back and forth. No additional info on how/why was available besides another adult nearby confirming scorekeepers story.
Now I know that rules shouldnt be kicked, but sometimes one needs to back down to keep the game flowing.
I like the "bet my gamecheck I'm right vs yours" comment.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by archangel

Showed up to work frosh/JV games. Between those games the scorekeeper mentioned that we were doing a great job compared to the officials working games there earlier (thinking, oh oh, here comes the complaining!). He then said that those officials (both had left before we arrived) got in a halfcourt shoving match w/ each other,

Reminds me of the last time I worked with Chuck.... I gave him the 2 armed chest shove and put my back out reaching down to hit him.

Here he is at a clinic he runs in the summer for local officials.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Reminds me of the last time I worked with Chuck.... I gave him the 2 armed chest shove and put my back out reaching down to hit him.

Here he is at a clinic he runs in the summer for local officials.

He's taller than I pictured.

[mkiogima]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

He's taller than I pictured.

No, the basket is just lower.

[M&M Guy]

I like the whistle; is it a Fox 2.5?

[JoeTheRef]

I'm on the same line of thinking with TRook. If the kid/young official knows the rule, he has to enforce the rule. Give the ball back to Red. He needs to learn to exert his presence and his knowledge of the rules regardless of who his partner is. I say this because I just received a 2nd email from one of my college assignors talking about a crew kicking a rule. There are serious ramifications on an officials career and game schedule if they allow a rule to intentionally get kicked. I'm a first year college official, and I've come in on 2 occassions this year and cited the correct rule when the R was about to kick it and the R was a veteran D-I official in this DII game. I'm shy when it comes to giving advice or speaking up, but if I know in my heart what the correct ruling is then I have to find it in myself to say something and put on the most convincing argument. In the OP, all Young had to tell Billy Bob is that she's allowed to run the baseline, the throw-in is my call, and I'm not letting you make my call from on the otherside of the division line.

I guess my point is that if TrueRook chose those words, harsh as they may be, it may be what Young needs to hear. The sooner he hears is and does it, the better off he will be.