I had the problem with the team control foul last night

[blindzebra]

The part of TC I hate is that it doesn't exist during a throw-in.

I had a player set a screen to free up a player for the throw-in and just as the ball hit the inbound player's hand I had an illegal screen.

We were in the bonus so we are shooting.

A split second later and it's a TC foul.

Of course I had to go over and explain why we are shooting for this one, when we didn't on the last "offensive" foul.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The part of TC I hate is that it doesn't exist during a throw-in.

I had a player set a screen to free up a player for the throw-in and just as the ball hit the inbound player's hand I had an illegal screen.

We were in the bonus so we are shooting.

A split second later and it's a TC foul.

Of course I had to go over and explain why we are shooting for this one, when we didn't on the last "offensive" foul.

Yep, I've had something similar once or twice this season.......

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The part of TC I hate is that it doesn't exist during a throw-in. I had a player set a screen to free up a player for the throw-in and just as the ball hit the inbound player's hand I had an illegal screen. We were in the bonus so we are shooting. A split second later and it's a TC foul. Of course I had to go over and explain why we are shooting for this one, when we didn't on the last "offensive" foul.

Maybe the NFHS will change the definition of team control to include throwins. I'm not an NCAA official, but I believe the NCAA rule regarding team contol on throwins is different.

[TRef21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe the NFHS will change the definition of team control to include throwins. I'm not an NCAA official, but I believe the NCAA rule regarding team contol on throwins is different.

Yah it's different. I know for mens when we have TC on a throw in and in the bonus we don't shoot. Just report and go out of bounds. I think womens is the same. I agree with you guys, I think H.S. should change it. I think it will speed up the game and create less confusion among officials when we have to determine that type of call.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe the NFHS will change the definition of team control to include throwins. I'm not an NCAA official, but I believe the NCAA rule regarding team contol on throwins is different.

As Tommy said, the NCAA definitions state that there is team control during a throw-in. Personally, I hate that definition. I think it's stupid, frankly. Because now you have to make exceptions for backcourt violations and a couple other things. I would rather leave the basic definition of team control alone and simply add the throw-in situation to the definition of team control fouls.

I sincerely hope that the NFHS doesn't change this basketball fundamental.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

As Tommy said, the NCAA definitions state that there is team control during a throw-in. Personally, I hate that definition. I think it's stupid, frankly. Because now you have to make exceptions for backcourt violations and a couple other things. I would rather leave the basic definition of team control alone and simply add the throw-in situation to the definition of team control fouls.

I sincerely hope that the NFHS doesn't change this basketball fundamental.

What besides adding the word inbounds to throw-in, 10 second back court, 3 seconds and closely guarded is an issue?

[crazy voyager]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The part of TC I hate is that it doesn't exist during a throw-in.

It does in fiba....

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

As Tommy said, the NCAA definitions state that there is team control during a throw-in. Personally, I hate that definition. I think it's stupid, frankly. Because now you have to make exceptions for backcourt violations and a couple other things. I would rather leave the basic definition of team control alone and simply add the throw-in situation to the definition of team control fouls.

I sincerely hope that the NFHS doesn't change this basketball fundamental.

Team control on a throw-in for NCAA doesn't always mean the same as team control on the floor.

Scapper brings up a very good example in the B/C plays on a throw-in. Since the NCAA changed the ending of the throw-in to a touch it makes the backcourt/frontcourt a little confusing along with the throw-in exceptions.

Art. 3. A live ball is in the front court or back court of the team in control as follows:
a. A ball that is in contact with a player or with the playing court shall
be in the back court when either the ball or the player (either player
when the ball is touching more than one) is touching the back court.
It shall be in the front court when neither the ball nor the player is
touching the back court.

So here is a screwing example of where this is confusing. A1 has a S/L throw-in F/C. A1 passes to A2 in the F/C who fumbles the ball once then twice from the F/C to the B/C, goes back and recovers the ball in the B/C without it being a violation.

Throw-in ended on the touch. (Throw-in provisions should be over) By the above mentioned rule A2 established F/C T/C status since the team had control during a throw-in.

However we are still waiting for player control in the F/C before we establish F/C status on a throw-in. Even though we had team control on the throw-in we didn't have P/C in the F/C before the ball was fumbled into the B/C.

[bob jenkins]

It seems to me that 4-3.6 covers this clearly and without the contortions you seem to be going through.