Q from 1st Year: Shooting Foul on blocked shot

[ILRef80]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In this case the try ends when it clearly will not be successful. That is with the block. However the act of shooting includes the airborne shooter. That player is considered in the act of shooting until one foot returns to the floor.

So, what do you do in this situation. A1 goes up for a jump shot, B1 crashes into him, but just after A1 returns to the floor. I still have a shooting foul. Should this be a common foul?

Edit: Nevermind, on the situation I presented, I'm assuming there is no block, thus the try hasn't ended. So, no block - it's a shooting foul. Block followed by body (not simaltaneously) - common foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ILRef80

Edit: Nevermind, on the situation I presented, I'm assuming there is no block, thus the try hasn't ended. So, no block - it's a shooting foul. Block followed by body (not simaltaneously) - common foul.

Nope, wrong understanding of the applicable rules. The shot ended when the shot was blocked. The airborne shooter however is still a "shooter" until he lands. Block followed by illegal contact on an airborne shooter is a shooting foul.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The airborne shooter however is still a "shooter" until he lands. Block followed by illegal contact on an airborne shooter is a shooting foul.

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

First, a set shooter who has completed his shooting motion is no longer a shooter.

On the related question - IMO it depends on both severity of contact and A/D. If the contact is severe and A1 would have been knocked to the court if he was standing normally, I have a call. If A1 is off-balance after the shot and falls to the floor on limited contact, no call unless the rebound comes that way and the contact by B1 was both illegal and prohibited A1 from having a chance to rebound.

It's a judgement any way you look at it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kblehman

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

By rule, common foul

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

If the defender knocked down the shooter, it's likley a common foul.

If the shooter flopped (and don't think they don't), then it's nothing.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by ILRef80

So, what do you do in this situation. A1 goes up for a jump shot, B1 crashes into him, but just after A1 returns to the floor. I still have a shooting foul. Should this be a common foul?

Edit: Nevermind, on the situation I presented, I'm assuming there is no block, thus the try hasn't ended. So, no block - it's a shooting foul. Block followed by body (not simaltaneously) - common foul.

Think again.... the act of shooting ends when the shooter returns to the floor. In your description, the foul by B1 occurs after A1 returns to the floor. This is a common foul on B1, team A gets the ball for throw in at the closest spot unless they're in the bonus, in which case A1 will be shooting free throws.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by ILRef80

So, what do you do in this situation. A1 goes up for a jump shot, B1 crashes into him, but just after A1 returns to the floor. I still have a shooting foul. Should this be a common foul?

Edit: Nevermind, on the situation I presented, I'm assuming there is no block, thus the try hasn't ended. So, no block - it's a shooting foul. Block followed by body (not simaltaneously) - common foul.

In addition to JR's response above, in the event there is no blocked shot, a foul on a shooter who has returned to the floor - even if the try is still on its way to the hoop - is not a shooting foul.

The second that player returns a toe to the court, he's no longer an airborne shooter.

[ILRef80]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

In addition to JR's response above, in the event there is no blocked shot, a foul on a shooter who has returned to the floor - even if the try is still on its way to the hoop - is not a shooting foul.

The second that player returns a toe to the court, he's no longer an airborne shooter.

Interesting, thanks for the responses. I've been calling that wrong. Granted, it doesn't happen often, but the few times I have had an offensive player fouled shortly (i.e. within a second of returning to the floor) after returning to the floor, I've called it a shooting foul.

That's what I come here

[hbioteach]

I am more likely to call the foul when arm contact is involved and less so with body contact is involved (passing on most).