Q from 1st Year: Shooting Foul on blocked shot

[hbioteach]

I am more likely to call the foul when arm contact is involved and less so with body contact is involved (passing on most).

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The airborne shooter however is still a "shooter" until he lands. Block followed by illegal contact on an airborne shooter is a shooting foul.

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

First, a set shooter who has completed his shooting motion is no longer a shooter.

On the related question - IMO it depends on both severity of contact and A/D. If the contact is severe and A1 would have been knocked to the court if he was standing normally, I have a call. If A1 is off-balance after the shot and falls to the floor on limited contact, no call unless the rebound comes that way and the contact by B1 was both illegal and prohibited A1 from having a chance to rebound.

It's a judgement any way you look at it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kblehman

So if the shooter takes a set shot (never leaves the floor) and the shot is blocked cleanly, but the blocker lands on the shooter.... shooting foul or common foul?

By rule, common foul

Related question: we've all seen a defender run at a 3-pt shooter to harass the shot. The shot is gone when the defender arrives, so he turns around to box out the shooter and either hits him hard or gives him that nice buttsy, knocking the shooter down after the shot. Is it a no-call or a common foul?

If the defender knocked down the shooter, it's likley a common foul.

If the shooter flopped (and don't think they don't), then it's nothing.

[RCH253]

You should likely consider that the contact with the arm/torso should be substantial after the ball is blocked cleanly up top in order for you to have a foul. Many camp instructors where teaching 80% ball 20% player should be let go a few years ago. Something to think about.[/QUOTE]

What if the contact after the block only occurs with the shooter's hand?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by RCH253

What if the contact after the block only occurs with the shooter's hand?

Assuming the contact is simple follow-through from a normal block attempt (so that it ends up looking like a mid-air high-five), it's nada.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Assuming the contact is simple follow-through from a normal block attempt (so that it ends up looking like a mid-air high-five), it's nada.

Good description.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

It's important to watch what else the blocker is doing as well though, isn't it? I have seen many times where the defender uses a hand on the shooter to push himself up thus gaining an advantage or going in to the shooter hard with the body.

Everyone in the gym except us is looking at the ball so when a foul is called on this action it draws a lot of grief because all they see is the blocked shot.

When the contact happens during the shot, ie before the ball leaves the hands, that's a much different scenario than what's being discussed here. In the kind of sitch you're discussing, you have to gauge how much contact there is, how legal that contact is, and the A/D, just as you would with any other contact. I tend to err on the side of "protect the shooter" although I was working last year on not being quite as protective. But you're right that whatever you do call will often not be seen by the crowd, so their reaction is not a good way to evaluate your call.