Just Wondering ....

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

If there is a rule support for the following or if this could have been handled a different way.

GV game 3 second to go and the score tied at 54. Ball is inbounded by red and immediately stolen by white in offensive zone. Ball is passed to team mate under the basket who scores. Problem is the timer forgot to start the clock! Whistle, conference. What are my options?

Looking for any rule set answers but understand we play under FIBA here. I thing the rules would be similar anywhere in this situation.

Under FIBA rules there is no concept of "definite knowledge" to help officials put or remove time from the clock.

44.2.10 Any errors in scorekeeping by the scorer or time-keeping by the timer involving the score, number of fouls, number of time-outs or time consumed or omitted, may be corrected by the officials at any time before the referee signs the scoresheet.

46.13 [The referee shall] have the power to make decisions on any point not specifically covered by these rules.

So, if you are sure that time has expired, because you have made a mental count, you can decide the game is over.

Ciao

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

So, if you are sure that time has expired, because you have made a mental count, you can decide the game is over.

Very bad idea.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Very bad idea.

Is your concern with the fact that no visible count was used, or that there is no reason to count in this situation, other than a reason to fix an unstarted clock error? Or something else?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Very bad idea.

We don't always visibly count. The correct FIBA mechanics for the 8 seconds in the backcourt is to count mentally the first three and to visibly count only the last five. A mental count by the official is as good as a visible count.

Ciao

[canuckref]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

We don't always visibly count. The correct FIBA mechanics for the 8 seconds in the backcourt is to count mentally the first three and to visibly count only the last five. A mental count by the official is as good as a visible count.

Ciao

had not heard this before, please reference.

What i do have is this: From Fiba refs manual 7.1-7:

7. For observing closely guarded player, throw-in and free-throw execution, and eight seconds the official responsible for the play shall use the visible count (Official’s signal no. 14).

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by canuckref

had not heard this before, please reference.

What i do have is this: From Fiba refs manual 7.1-7:

7. For observing closely guarded player, throw-in and free-throw execution, and eight seconds the official responsible for the play shall use the visible count (Official’s signal no. 14).

Only the last 5, for the eight seconds. At least that's what the ask us here.

Ciao