Rule Change Proposals for '08

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

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I think he means "committed by" the offensive team.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I think he means "committed by" the offensive team.

Yea, probably, but I just want to be sure. I'm a word person, and in a verbal medium, word choice is important. I'm gonna just hammer away at it.

If he does mean "committed by the offensive team", then I disagree with him. Losing possession is the only penalty that can be inflicted, especially since we don't give shots on TC fouls. How is that not fair?

[blindzebra]

I like the NCAA FT.

TC on throw-ins.

Make failing to enter after legally being OOB a violation instead of a T.

One mechanic change would be making the fist the signal for all "offensive" control fouls...TC and PC.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I like the NCAA FT.

TC on throw-ins.

Make failing to enter after legally being OOB a violation instead of a T.

One mechanic change would be making the fist the signal for all "offensive" control fouls...TC and PC.

Except for the NCAA FT item (which I have no opinion on), I agree 100% with the rest.....for that matter, merge TC and PC into one foul....a foul commited by a player on the team in control (which includes the player in control) or by an airborne shooter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Yea, probably, but I just want to be sure. I'm a word person, and in a verbal medium, word choice is important. I'm gonna just hammer away at it.

If he does mean "committed by the offensive team", then I disagree with him. Losing possession is the only penalty that can be inflicted, especially since we don't give shots on TC fouls. How is that not fair?

Juulie, if you consider his post sort of a "modest proposal" in response to Padgett's suggestion, it makes more sense.

[texaspaul]

I agree with refneck.

Only players who have entered the court, legally, can innitiate a time out.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Losing possession is the only penalty that can be inflicted, especially since we don't give shots on TC fouls.

Y'know, Juulie - ya' gotta point here. I never took the inequity that far. The penalty for a common foul before the bonus does penalize an offensive team who commits one more than a defensive team who does. Then after the bonus, it switches the other way around - kind of. Perhaps the NF should rethink (assuming there was ever a "think" in the first place) the entire foul penalty situation.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Y'know, Juulie - ya' gotta point here. I never took the inequity that far. The penalty for a common foul before the bonus does penalize an offensive team who commits one more than a defensive team who does. Then after the bonus, it switches the other way around - kind of. Perhaps the NF should rethink (assuming there was ever a "think" in the first place) the entire foul penalty situation.

Or perhaps we should just encourage the kids to stop fouling so the inequities are erased.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Or perhaps we should just encourage the kids to stop fouling so the inequities are erased.

Why don't we just allow all contact and change the name of the game to Lacrosse?

[Texas Aggie]

OK:

1a. 10-6 Penalty: Amend 3 to read "Bonus Free throw beginning with the 7th team foul each half whether or not the first free throw is successful." Then, amend 4 to read "Two free throws if intentional or flagrant, or for all fouls beginning with the 10th team foul, plus ball for throw-in."

1b. Amend 10-6 Penalty 1 to add "f. At any point when the offended (fouled) team has the right to shoot one or more free throws, at the option of the captain or coach, the team may choose to resume play with a throw-in. This option is available until the first free throw is administered."

2. Change 5-9-3 to read as follows: "Grants a player's oral or visual or a head coach's visual request for a time out..."

3. (I'll get this later)

4. Amend Rule 1, Section 13 Article 3 to add the following: "Penalty -- for either a lack of a coaching box or an incorrectly laid box: Technical foul is assessed to the home team to begin the game. This foul shall also be indirectly charged to the head coach. No technical foul shall be charged to a designated home team not playing in its customary home location (example, tournament)."

5. Amend Rule 9, Section 1, Article 4 to read: "The restrictions ... apply until the ball is released by the thrower."

These may not be the optimum wording for each change, which is why I don't really understand the need for exact wording, but here you go. I do, however, think this is a good exercise to dive into the rule book and make sure you are aware of where all rules are referenced.

I'll amend later with case citations.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

2. Change 5-9-3 to read as follows: "Grants a player's oral or visual or a head coach's visual request for a time out..."

Hate this.

So, after a made free throw a coach turns to me and says, "Time out!" and I ignore his request because he is not signaling with his hands?

No... *I* wouldn't do it, but I bet some officials would! (We have officials that won't even grant a coach's "Time out on the make" request because they get so buried in the rule book they force him to request the TO again after the FT is made)

Are a lot of you having problems with coaches calling timeout? I generally have not -- and there have been times when the coach calls timeout when NONE of his players do in a certain game situation.

Now, with the coach being able to call timeout, they have to understand that we cannot always hear or see them during play... That is just part of the game. Also, they should stop naming plays "Five out", etc.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Brad

Are a lot of you having problems with coaches calling timeout? I generally have not -- and there have been times when the coach calls timeout when NONE of his players do in a certain game situation.

Had a coach last night get a bit frustrated. Then again, I'd just tuned him out since he seemed to have a comment or question on about 75% of the plays. He had to yell it at me, and by the time I heard him the ball was closer to the base line; he didn't check on the throwin spot before setting up his play, and had a sideline play ready for the kids.

[ChuckElias]

Folks, just a reminder. If you'd like me to pass along your proposals, they must be written out as they will appear in the rule book. I can't pass along "make the FT spaces the same as NCAA" or "standardize the NCAA and HS rules for hair control devices" to the NFHS Rules Committee.

If you would like your idea to receive consideration, please type it out as it would actually appear in the rule book, with the rule citation; and include citations for any rules or cases that your new rule would affect. Thanks.

[Dan_ref]

What a PITA

So here's my request, rewritten to meet your special needs:

NO F'ING CHANGES!!!!!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I know, I know, we are supposed to be talking about basketball, BUT:

"Daryl the Preacher" and I were officiating in the Paulding (Ohio) Knights of Columbus Annual Special Olympics Basketball Tournament this past Saturday and a fan had a very unique whistle which he sound each time his team would score a field goal.

Now many of you know that I officiated NFHS fut bol from 1993 until 2006. and many of you know that I do not always see eye to eye with soccer officials (only the ones that only officiate soccer) about many things regarding sports officiating.

Getting back to the whistle this past weekend. I belive that the NFHS should adopt this whistle and the mandatory whistle for all H.S. soccer officals. The whistle makes this lovely sounding steam locomotive train whistle. I think it would be great if H.S. soccer officials had to use this whistle. I think it would do great things to improve their stature in the eyes of their fellow sports officials.

MTD, Sr.