Traveling, Held Ball or... Both?

[wisref2]

The difference is noted in the comments at the end. In the first instance, the contact prevent A from releasing the ball. In the second, A could have released the ball but did not. It's a judgement call, but usually pretty obvious when you see it. If in doubt, rule it a held ball.

[inigo montoya]

Originally Posted by wisref2

The difference is noted in the comments at the end. In the first instance, the contact prevent A from releasing the ball. In the second, A could have released the ball but did not. It's a judgement call, but usually pretty obvious when you see it. If in doubt, rule it a held ball.

That's all we could come up with (a judgment call), but that's only really implied in the case and not stated. In other words, in 4.25.2 the defender's hand is on the ball and A1 is prevented from releasing it. In 4.44.3sitA(b), it is plainly stated that the defender does NOT prevent the ball from being released. In contrast, the text in (c) does not state either way, just that A1 does not release the ball after it is contacted by the defender.

It seems like an awfully tough judgment to determine what A1 was capable of. What if he could have released it, but not for a quality shot? What's the threshold?