Block/Charge out of primary

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Junker

I agree, but the OP also says that the L had a great angle. If my partner has a great angle they must have a better look than I do as T. I'm not going in on that one as there must have been more to the play than I saw.

Brain fart. You've had them, I've had them. Only JR has never had a brain fart. He's ridicously consistent.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Brain fart. You've had them, I've had them. Only JR has never had a brain fart. He's ridicously consistent.

JR doesn't HAVE brain farts. JR IS a brain fart!

Just saying.

[truerookie]

Ask yourself this: Where did the play originate from?

If it orginated from the lead area good no call;

If it orginated from your area and you clearly seen the contact by A1 on B1 it's your call. Why did you pass on the contact? Please don't say because the lead had a better angle.

[Tio]

In a HS game, we should have a whistle 99% of the time there is a crash and bodies are on the floor. If you are 110% certain it was a foul, I would get it. Getting a block charge wrong at the beginning of the game is bad. Not having a whistle on a block/charge on the first play of the game is recipe for a rough and out of control game.

Whether you are the 'R' or not shouldn't have any bearing on whether you make the call. I think another factor to consider whether you come in and get the call depends upon the level of experience of your partners. A rookie may not know how to react to that play.

[hbioteach]

I was at the 3 point line on the opposite side of the lane and had a goog look at the play. I spoke with my partner at halftime who said he agrees that we should have had something on the play but froze on the initial play.

I always grab a non PC/block out of my primary if I think, "That's definitely a foul we have to get." But, I have had "no calls" as the L, which my partner as the T has called blocks. That's why I passed on the play.

2 Person.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by hbioteach

I was at the 3 point line on the opposite side of the lane and had a goog look at the play. I spoke with my partner at halftime who said he agrees that we should have had something on the play but froze on the initial play.

I always grab a non PC/block out of my primary if I think, "That's definitely a foul we have to get." But, I have had "no calls" as the L, which my partner as the T has called blocks. That's why I passed on the play.

If you were T, and were at the 3-point line on the opposite side of the lane, where was C? This is his call, unless L had already rotated.

Either way if it was on the opposite side of the court, I have a hard time seeing how this is your call...

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by hbioteach

I'm the R and the T on the play.
Jump ball. A1 passes to A2. A2 driving down towards the basket on the opposite side in front of the lead. I'm the T trailing the play. A2 dribbler contacts B1 at lane line and B1 falls to the ground right in front of the lead who has a good angle on the play. No call. A2 is then fouled by B2 called by the lead.

Would you as the trail come in and make the charge call? I thought a whistle was needed because of the contact and displacement but passed because it was right in front of the lead.

I have the site blocked at work now, and was busy anyway so I'm just now seeing this thread.

1. Looking at the description of the play, someone assumed the player was driving north/south parallel with the lane line - they didn't say it like that, but that is the picture that was painted. I'm not going to make that assumption, but point out the fact that more drives occur at a 45 degree angle and many occur on the endline.
2. What are the odds of the OP looking at this call without any other players being between him and the play, especially in a two person game? I don't think those odds would be very good.
3. Someone mentioned where the play originated and the fact that it is the Trail's call. I don't see enough information in the description to make that assumption, but I would doubt it would go down like that with two officials.

Without seeing the play, I would say the OP was ball-watching and should not have a whistle on this play. I can understand a whistle in a three person game that is really needed, but in a two person game from the Trail in front of the Lead? I don't think so.
One official cannot save the world every game! People, you just don't see all these plays by accident. We are having some threads on the board where officials are ball watching and we are excusing it in the name of getting the call right. Could I go into a game and find a spot to stand all game? If I'm going to look all over the court and make calls based on bad positioning why not?
I think we are all getting paid a little for doing this and with that money comes the responsibility to earn that money. If my partner agrees to give me some of his money I will be more than happy to do his work. Otherwise, let the assignor figure out that certain officials cannot cut it when the pressure is on.

We should always plan to work our primaries! Period. Quit planning to cherry pick calls all over the court. There is enough other crap to worry about. I always wonder how many off-ball calls are made in some of these officials' games. I bet there aren't many - everyone is watching the ball!

[truerookie]

Blind Zebra, interesting you should point this out because in the OP the Trail passed on the contact initiated by A2 on B1(possibly offense foul). But, the lead got the defensive (foul B2 on A2).

So, now he may be kicking himself by not getting the first foul (which could have been offensive). Thinking his partner would get it since he had the better angle. Didn't happen. Now, his partner called a foul against the defense. Worse case scenerio, it makes the crew look inconsistent.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Blind Zebra, interesting you should point this out because in the OP the Trail passed on the contact initiated by A2 on B1(possibly offense foul). But, the lead got the defensive (foul B2 on A2).

So, now he may be kicking himself by not getting the first foul (which could have been offensive). Thinking his partner would get it since he had the better angle. Didn't happen. Now, his partner called a foul against the defense. Worse case scenerio, it makes the crew look inconsistent.

Although not exactly the same, but it does point to that dilemma.

I'm trail 2 person tableside...A1 takes B1 off the dribble and beats him my side below the FT line...Just before A1 gathers the dribble B1 grabs their arm toward my side and causes A1 to turn...I hold my whistle a beat to see if A1 can play through the grab, but B2 gets to the spot just inside the lane and there is contact...my whistle goes just before my partner who doesn't hear mine and comes out PC.

Now we have a problem. I go to him and say, "I have a grab before the shot and before the crash.

I take my foul on B1 to the table and since the coach had the same look I did, a simple, "The grab was before the shot so the ball was dead and the PC foul never happened," satisfied the coach.