Help w/ Pregame

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Billy,

With all due respect, he is not going to have the time to go over all that stuff in a 20 to 30 minute period of time. He needs to focus on major things. That works best when you have an hour to 45 minutes and even then I do not know that you always need to cover all those items.

Peace

Yeah, cover the major, not the whole entire list

[grunewar]

Thanks to all for the advice - used it last night for FB/JVB games. Partner arrives and I'm already dressed and revieiwing pregame checklist, POE's, etc. he asks what I'm looking at. I tell him and off we go......Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Then, after our games, I asked the VB officials what they thought as they were in the stands for a bit - and boy did we get an ear full - in a good way I thought. Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Glad it went well. For a JV or Fr game, that is often the best you can hope for in a pregame. It might not be a complete pregame, but it's a start and at least you're in a basketball frame of mind when you walk on the floor.

Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

This is sometimes the best part of your sub-varsity assignment. I'm glad that you seem to have a great learning attitude. Listening to good experienced officials and watching them work can be great tools for improvement.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is sometimes the best part of your sub-varsity assignment. I'm glad that you seem to have a great learning attitude. Listening to good experienced officials and watching them work can be great tools for improvement.

When I first started I did this because I liked watching HS ball. Little did I know the HUGE payoff I would get from hanging around. I work in a big Assoc.,about 300 refs, and I get feedback from all kinds of refs. So it goes without saying my reffing has improved immensely.

Politically it's been a goldmine.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

When I first started I did this because I liked watching HS ball. Little did I know the HUGE payoff I would get from hanging around. I work in a big Assoc.,about 300 refs, and I get feedback from all kinds of refs. So it goes without saying my reffing has improved immensely.

Politically it's been a goldmine.

I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

NAh I'm not one of them. I go to hang,learn stuff and talk crap with other officials. I like my schedule right now, definetly don't try to force a schedule. Heck I even started a thread here a couple of weeks ago about not moving up yet.

I even spent a night up in Nevadarefs part of the world watching their 1A regional playoffs. No payoff there other than hanging with some of our Native American friends.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I totally agree CR. I love high school ball as well. I go early just to watch the JV games and offer input to that games officials if they are open to it. This was done for me when I was coming up.

Politically it can be a goldmine if you truly are doing it to better yourself and the love of the game and avocation. I've seen where it had a negative affect on a couple officials in our association who would come to the game just to be seen and leave after the halftime break/conference. Those officials often never improve but they want a better schedule so they come around the "in" veteran officials or association board members.

Concur!! Last night after my game when I got back to the locker room, the three V refs were there and getting ready to take the floor. So I said, "so whadya think?" The Sr Official, gave me the look of "do you really want our thoughts?" and I told him, "I wouldn't have asked if I didn't want to know and improve." It was great! Certainly an eye opener! And as i've said before, while it was very critical, it wasn't done in a condescending, aloof manner - it was critical though - man oh man do I have some work to do! While my hand an arm signals and knowledge are ok - positioning and of all things hustle (that killed me to hear) were areas to work.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Thanks to all for the advice - used it last night for FB/JVB games. Partner arrives and I'm already dressed and revieiwing pregame checklist, POE's, etc. he asks what I'm looking at. I tell him and off we go......Obviously, it wasn't as thorough as it could have been, but leading questions helped and philosophies were exchanged. Appreciate everyone's assistance.

Then, after our games, I asked the VB officials what they thought as they were in the stands for a bit - and boy did we get an ear full - in a good way I thought. Some real tough, constructive criticism that I will take to heart and learn from. Watched the VB game for a while and those guys showed me a thing or two......

When I first read this, I thought you asked the volleyball officials what they thought. Probably that we run around too much and may just break out in a sweat.