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[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by TD21

other times we make wrong calls

Speak for yourself, grasshopper.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So it's less important if you miss a foul on the team that has 8 fouls?
And it doesn't matter if you give a cheap foul to a player that is not key?

I suppose some of us lack your power of consentration.

I did not say it is anything. You are the one trying to imply something because you seemed to not understand a basic statement. If I have a game that is going down to the wire and it is a one point game, my focus is a little different than a 40 point blow out. Whether you like it or not you need to officiate to the game you have in front of you. You have a perfect game 30 minutes and if you screw something up in the last two minutes, guess what they remember?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say it is anything. You are the one trying to imply something because you seemed to not understand a basic statement. If I have a game that is going down to the wire and it is a one point game, my focus is a little different than a 40 point blow out. Whether you like it or not you need to officiate to the game you have in front of you. You have a perfect game 30 minutes and if you screw something up in the last two minutes, guess what they remember?

Peace

In other words: "I skip right past the obvious questions inspired by my earlier "basic statements."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In other words: "I skip right past the obvious questions inspired by my earlier "basic statements."

Why is it such a hard concept to understand that I do not care what I just called, I have to focus on the rest of the game? If you screw up on your first call of the game do you harp on it the rest of the game? I don't.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why is it such a hard concept to understand that I do not care what I just called, I have to focus on the rest of the game? If you screw up on your first call of the game do you harp on it the rest of the game? I don't.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

............ if I have a 8-1 foul total, I want to make sure I am not missing the foul on the team that has 1 foul.

That 8-1 foul total is a part of what you "just called," is it not?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That 8-1 foul total is a part of what you "just called," is it not?

Yes and whether you like it or not someone is going to complain about that foul total in that situation. They always do and always will. And if you continue to call fouls and the foul total becomes 15-1 and you called everything you were supposed to and did not miss anything you were not supposed to, then you are doing your job. It is no different than if you have a fight and tempers are running high, you make sure you get everything you can because you might want to keep other things in check so you do not have another fight. I do not know about you, but I officiate that way all the time and most of the officials I work with have a similar position. Hey, if you just call the game in a bubble and hope that nothing happens, that is your right to do so.

Peace

[just another ref]

Rut makes




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are difficult


to follow

because so many


relate so little

to each other.


Or is that just my impression?

[Nevadaref]

[JRutledge]

JAR,

I just think this is a topic you cannot understand. If you cannot understand what you called before does not relate to what you will have to call in the future, then we really need to stop having this conversation. It is simple, if you have 3 or 4 fouls on a player (star player or valued player), you better make that 5th one a good one and not call something you have not been calling the rest of the game or give a cheap one. If you have an 8-1 foul disparity, and you miss fouls on the team that only called one foul against, the tape might be the thing the coach uses to say you are a horrible official and send to your supervisor. No one remembers the first foul of the game. Everyone remember the foul that sent the team to the line with seconds left that decided the game. If that is hard to understand, then I really do not know what to tell you. And if you do not officiate that way, that is fine with me, I do. And it has worked for me very well for years.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Just like you try to focus the last few minutes of a game, you can concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to a player that is key.

Why not just concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to anybody? Works for me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is simple, if you have 3 or 4 fouls on a player (star player or valued player), you better make that 5th one a good one and not call something you have not been calling the rest of the game or give a cheap one.

And there's where I get confused. Shouldn't that philosophy apply to every player on both teams, not just the star or valued players....and also to every foul that you call(hopefully if not realistically)?

[TD21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

JAR,

I just think this is a topic you cannot understand. If you cannot understand what you called before does not relate to what you will have to call in the future, then we really need to stop having this conversation. It is simple, if you have 3 or 4 fouls on a player (star player or valued player), you better make that 5th one a good one and not call something you have not been calling the rest of the game or give a cheap one. If you have an 8-1 foul disparity, and you miss fouls on the team that only called one foul against, the tape might be the thing the coach uses to say you are a horrible official and send to your supervisor. No one remembers the first foul of the game. Everyone remember the foul that sent the team to the line with seconds left that decided the game. If that is hard to understand, then I really do not know what to tell you. And if you do not officiate that way, that is fine with me, I do. And it has worked for me very well for years.

Peace

I think the problem with this topic and its responses are the different levels at which each officials work. What some here are trying to tell you is that at and cetain level of basketball you have to be more aware of what's going on. We like to refer to this as the game with-in the game. At other levels this is less important. But in order to move up to a higher level of basketball these things become important. If you don't work those levels and don't want to then, don't use them. But to say that not having the knowledge of who the best players are, and who has how many fouls isn't important is not going to get you very far as you try to move up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Why not just concentrate on not giving a cheap foul to anybody? Works for me.

If you call a foul on the 10th guy off the bench, no one really cares or is going to analyze what you just called. And that player was probably supposed to foul or give up a foul in the first place.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

JAR,

I just think this is a topic you cannot understand. If you cannot understand what you called before does not relate to what you will have to call in the future, then we really need to stop having this conversation. It is simple, if you have 3 or 4 fouls on a player (star player or valued player), you better make that 5th one a good one and not call something you have not been calling the rest of the game or give a cheap one.

Red = what you have called before

Blue = what you will have to call in the future

The two things do not relate to each other, yet the presence of the first thing affects the possibility of whether to call the second thing. You're right about one thing. I don't get this......at all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Red = what you have called before

Blue = what you will have to call in the future

The two things do not relate to each other, yet the presence of the first thing affects the possibility of whether to call the second thing. You're right about one thing. I don't get this......at all.

Actually they do very much relate. But then again just like TD21 said, you and I are coming at this from different levels of understanding. It is just that simply and discussing it further is going to confuse you more.

Peace