If you are the R

[Johnny Ringo]

If you are the R what all do you do and check at the scorer's table and in the book prior to the game?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

If you are the R what all do you do and check at the scorer's table and in the book prior to the game?

Personally, I make sure that the timer and scorekeeper know what they're doing. I don't accept a "I have done this before" from them: I still pre-game with them certain things, such as notifying us when a player has 4 fouls, what signals stop and start the clock, to confirm the visual display with the book, how to handle the arrow, etc...

I soemtimes will remind them that if there is a timing error that needs fixing, then I will do so, if they're new.

I also check that the lineups and the rest of the scoresheet are completed properly. I do this at about 5 minutes before tip-off for tournament games, as the gyms are very busy with teams coming and going. 10 minutes for HS games. I usually assume that the timing device is working properly.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I still pre-game with them certain things, such as notifying us when a player has 4 fouls, what signals stop and start the clock, to confirm the visual display with the book, how to handle the arrow, etc...

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Many of score keepers in my area need extra attention. Sometimes there are the gems - those that "get it" - but often the kids need a hand held. Telling me when a player has 4 fouls does two things:

• it allows me to know that the next one is their 5th, and thus additional mechanics come into play
• if they forget, then I've found that they notice after the ball is back in play and make it a point to let me know on the 5th
  • this prevents the situation when a scorer doesn't know a player has 5 until after the ball is back inbounds after the ensuing throw-in

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Many of score keepers in my area need extra attention. Sometimes there are the gems - those that "get it" - but often the kids need a hand held. Telling me when a player has 4 fouls does two things:

• it allows me to know that the next one is their 5th, and thus additional mechanics come into play
• if they forget, then I've found that they notice after the ball is back in play and make it a point to let me know on the 5th
  • this prevents the situation when a scorer doesn't know a player has 5 until after the ball is back inbounds after the ensuing throw-in

Good intentions aside, being notified that a player has 4 fouls is baggage you don't need to be carrying.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Good intentions aside, being notified that a player has 4 fouls is baggage you don't need to be carrying.

I think it is good game awareness to know if a player has 4 fouls. If the table can help you there--great. Never thought of that before. I also like the idea of having the table crew help with having jersies tucked. Great stuff.

The one thing I have not seen is shot clock operators. It is good to ensure that they understand that the shot clock is only reset when the team starts their possession. Lots of times they start it upon the reset after a made basket, which can be a few seconds early, and the shot clock can be one of your best friends should you have to call 10 seconds, if it is kept properly. If you want to be really detail-oriented, I've heard of R's actually asking the shot clock operator to try and remember the game clock time for each reset, so if you have to go back and reconstruct due to timer or equipment errors, you can do so with complete accuracy.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Good intentions aside, being notified that a player has 4 fouls is baggage you don't need to be carrying.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I've worked it into my game oh - close to a decade ago. When a player is called for their 5th foul, I am ahead of the game when it comes to communication with the table and my P.

Like I said, it's also to keep the scorekeepers on their toes.

I guess my piece of advice for you then is don't try it if you don't like it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

such as notifying us when a player has 4 fouls

I know you're kidding on this one, right?

[Mark Padgett]

I tell the scorers that they are considered part of the officiating crew and must remain neutral during the game. I tell them that if they show any partisanship at all, I'll run their a$$. I make sure the person keeping the book is using a pencil with an eraser and that the person running the clock can count to over ten without taking his shoes off. I tell them that if they brought any food, they have to give half to my partner and me. Finally, I tell them that if a sub reports to the table without having his jersey tucked in to smack him upside the head.

Then I get the coaches together and ask them if they want to buy foul insurance.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Then I get the coaches together and ask them if they want to buy foul insurance.

I love it! Seven years here and you're still coming up with new ones!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I love it! Seven years here and you're still coming up with new ones!

I forgot to mention you always need to ask if they want the "indirect technical" rider.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I forgot to mention you always need to ask if they want the "indirect technical" rider.

Don't forget "travel insurance".

[rgncjn]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Then I get the coaches together and ask them if they want to buy foul insurance.

What are the details of the policy?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rgncjn

What are the details of the policy?

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

If you are the R what all do you do and check at the scorer's table and in the book prior to the game?

I simply go over to make sure that the right information is submitted to the table. I used to go through a pre-game. I have found out or realized that most people already know their role. I really do not go over things with them. I tend to pay attention to what goes on during the sophomore game and if I need to address something I might do that if I see someone not doing their job. Otherwise I introduce myself, tell a joke or say something funny and I move on.

Peace