Delay to the nth degree

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Well, Ralph, you have once again opened your mouth without having a clue to whom you are speaking. Your lack of respect for the knowledge and abilities of others is astonishing. Their abilities are quite evident from this subject at least.
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Directed at Padgett, who is the supervisor of officials for this rec league and has likely officiated more games at this level than anyone else on the forum (perhaps even the west coast). Now who has a better idea of when multiple technical fouls are appropriate in this rec league? Just because he is a supervisor of officials means nothing. I guess the Peter principle is in effect...




Directed at Brandan89, who really does work at the HS level and has for three years now. OOOH three whole years? wow.


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Now I strongly suggest that you start having some consideration for the source before you start blasting away. It just may turn out that the original source knows more about the situation than you do. Then again, they may not... he posted a comment and I disagreed with his approach and agreed with the coach. YOUR lack of respect for MY opinion is what is astonishing.

JR, of course he claims to be a very experienced and successful official.

Let go of the past and move on, my son. We are now talking about someone who doesn't have the common sense to back a kid (or kids) up two feet to prevent him from having to make a point every throw-in. You really have to WANT to call technicals to let this easy to fix violation (in a REC league mind you) happen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

By the way, I didn't read where anyone has called or even witnessed NINE technicals in one game in their life. That says it all.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ralph

Let go of the past and move on, my son. We are now talking about someone who doesn't have the common sense to back a kid (or kids) up two feet to prevent him from having to make a point every throw-in.

How do you know he didn't? What if the infractions were after made baskets when there isn't the chance to bak them up? If the kids didn't learn after the first or second T, what makes you think they'd learn after another "warning?"

You really have to WANT to call technicals to let this easy to fix violation (in a REC league mind you) happen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

If the purpose of this particular rec league is better served by ignoring (or otherwise changing) this particular rule, then I'm sure it would have been changed. (See "no press" or "man-to-man defense only" or "everyone must play" rules for common examples) Given that it hasn't, it should be enforced.

By the way, I didn't read where anyone has called or even witnessed NINE technicals in one game in their life. That says it all.

Right. That's why it was worthy of posting. A post like "I called both a travelling violation and a shooting foul in one game today" wouldn't be that interesting (unless, perhaps, those were the only calls of the day).

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

How do you know he didn't? He never said he did or stated that he constantly tried to prevent the infraction through game management.
What if the infractions were after made baskets when there isn't the chance to bak them up? If the kids didn't learn after the first or second T, what makes you think they'd learn after another "warning?" NINE technicals plus one warning = 10 opportunities to NOT call a T. He gave up or tried to prove he was the master of the court.


If the purpose of this particular rec league is better served by ignoring (or otherwise changing) this particular rule, then I'm sure it would have been changed. (See "no press" or "man-to-man defense only" or "everyone must play" rules for common examples) Given that it hasn't, it should be enforced. Did he call every single infraction or did he use judgment and let some go? HMMM. Why is this different? I seriously doubt he called EVERY travel or carry in this rec game of 12 year olds.


Right. That's why it was worthy of posting. A post like "I called both a travelling violation and a shooting foul in one game today" wouldn't be that interesting (unless, perhaps, those were the only calls of the day). It was worthy of posting to show everyone how NOT to do it.

Wow.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ralph

By the way, I didn't read where anyone has called or even witnessed NINE technicals in one game in their life. That says it all.

My partner and I called eleven(11) on a head coach once. He had 6 and I had 5. At that time there was no limit on the number of T's that a coach/player could receive. That coach had a terrible team, and he wanted to get tossed. We told him that if we had to suffer watching his crappy team, then so would he.

The point is that you don't IGNORE righteous technical fouls when they occur. Let me change that wording.....we don't ignore righteous technical fouls when they occur. You obviously do.

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]My partner and I called eleven(11) on a head coach once. He had 6 and I had 5. Of course you did. from all the posts I have seen from you there is nothing you haven't accomplished - I guess you and Mr. Hightower are tight!


At that time there was no limit on the number of T's that a coach/player could receive. That coach had a terrible team, and he wanted to get tossed. We told him that if we had to suffer watching his crappy team, then so would he.

The point is that you don't IGNORE righteous technical fouls when they occur. Let me change that wording.....we don't ignore righteous technical fouls when they occur. You obviously do. Yes, I use judgment - what is good for a HS V game is not necessarily the same call for a 12 year old rec game. if you disagree with that then you are an idiot and need to actually ref a game or two instead of quoting the rulebook.[/QUOTE]

Buh Bye.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

All in all, they got nine, count 'em nine, delay warnings that resulted in eight technicals. Five warnings were for interfering with the ball after a made basket, four were for boundary violations.

9 Warnings, 8 technicals. 5 Warnings for interfering = 1 warning + 4 Technicals. 4 Warnings for boundary = 4 technicals for a total of 8 technicals? I'm either missing a warning, or you guys gave them an additional technical.

I think I'm wrong here and confused, and I don't have my books.. Daggumit, is it one warning per violation? No, it changed to one delay warning period... I CAN'T MAKE A RULING IF I DON'T KNOW THIS RULE!!!! HELP!

Furthermore, I do NCAA-W, NOW I'm really confused!!!!! Is it the same for FED?? Please help me, to much eggnog lastnight, and starbucks this morning!!

Is it one delay warning period for FED, and one warning for each type of delay for NCAA-W? I ask because that's how I would rule if I was in a game right this minute.

[Brad]

Ralph -- you have a little over 60 posts, yet Mark has over 6000... You might want to consider backing off with your personal attacks and poor attitude. Mark has not ever been suspended from this board in the many, many years he has participated, yet you are dangerously close...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Brad

Ralph -- you have a little over 60 posts, yet Mark has over 6000... You might want to consider backing off with your personal attacks and poor attitude. Mark has not ever been suspended from this board in the many, many years he has participated, yet you are dangerously close...

Thank you for your support, Brad. I appreciate it. No joke here.

Originally Posted by Brad

Ralph -- you have a little over 60 posts, yet Mark has over 6000... You might want to consider backing off with your personal attacks and poor attitude. Mark has not ever been suspended from this board in the many, many years he has participated, yet you are dangerously close...

Since when does quantity = quality? Look at JR, an average of 6 posts a day for 365/year for 7 years. Most of them angry and judgmental. My guess is with that many posts he could not possible have time to keep a job or ref.

I have not said anything personal until I was attacked. Look at my OP. I said I thought it was the refs who caused the problem - since HE brought up the spectre that the players ONLY were the issue. If that is a personal attack, then you need to quit wearing a skirt. (oops, I guess that is personal....).

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

9 Warnings, 8 technicals. 5 Warnings for interfering = 1 warning + 4 Technicals. 4 Warnings for boundary = 4 technicals for a total of 8 technicals? I'm either missing a warning, or you guys gave them an additional technical.

Is it one delay warning period for FED

Yup.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Is it one delay warning period for FED, and one warning for each type of delay for NCAA-W? .

That is correct.