Blocked shot with contact

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me.

Do not take part of the comment, take the entire statement.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not believe in "protecting the shooter." I do believe in knowing how the shooter got to the floor. Because I feel a lot of officials call a foul on a bigger player just because there bigger rather than something illegal taking place. In general I cannot see how someone blocks a shot cleanly and they can be called for a foul. Even some clean blocks might result in the shooter going to the floor hard. And for the record I am not talking about a defender the clearly bumps a shooter to block the shoot. That is a foul if the defender was not vertical or in legal guarding position and the contact created a clear advantage to the defender. My main point is that many shooters are out of control and any contact should not be called just because the shooter is already in a bad position or a position they put themselves in.

Peace

[fullor30]

Mike...............nails on a chalkboard with the tipped stuff. Let me ask you, if a player drives to the basket and B1 swipes at it and gets nothing but air, yet A1 blows the cripple and the crowd screams foul do you signal how much B1 missed by?

Marcel Marceau might but officials don't need to do this.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Mike...............nails on a chalkboard with the tipped stuff. Let me ask you, if a player drives to the basket and B1 swipes at it and gets nothing but air, yet A1 blows the cripple and the crowd screams foul do you signal how much B1 missed by?

Marcel Marceau might but officials don't need to do this.

OH..... REALY??... I have been told by more then a few officials that this is the correct mechanic on a clean block...

OOPS!!!

[williebfree]

Not in the BASKETBALL officials manual.... Prudent use of it is advised, for issues of ball tipped out of bounds, last touched in the front court by the defender, etc....

I have worked with partners who are "Foul tip fanatics." Unfortunately, I had an incident where partner (reaching out of his primary) giving his "almighty signal" as the "shot blocker's" momentum carried him solidly into the shooter.

It is ugly when you make the the correct call (in your primary), on a game-deciding, buzzer-beating shot ---- "overruling" your "clean block" foul tip fanatic partner's signal.

Bottom Line:
Your choice to not call a foul should imply you viewed it as a clean block.

[wisref2]

I like using the guidance that if you think the block would not have been possible without the somewhat substantial contact, call it a foul. If the player is on the floor, you can also call a good block followed by a foul (if the shot is missed).

On the tipped shot issue - it looks silly, first off. Secondly, if you don't blow the whistle, that's a pretty good signal that no foul occured. Thirdly, you really look silly if you signal a blocked shot and your partner blows a whistle for a foul (and how many times have we seen that!). Fourthly, it's not communicating anything that hasn't been seen by everyone. Fifthly, it's usually seen done by rookies so if you do it, you look like a rookie.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

OH..... REALY??... I have been told by more then a few officials that this is the correct mechanic on a clean block...

OOPS!!!

Really. It'll bite you in the azz one day.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Really. It'll bite you in the azz one day.

The day will be sooner than you think.

I am not a "if it's not in the rulebook don't use it" camp, but this particular signal will cause you a big problem. How? You signal a tip (clean block) and I come in with a foul. Signal nothing here, since nothing happened.

The only time I'll use a tip signal is if I'm the C and see a tip into the backcourt -- I'll use that signal to let my partner know not to call a backcourt violation.

Last night I was watching a humdinger of a JV crew (the one guy stood 3 feet in the backcourt 2 feet from the sideline as the trail and DID NOT MOVE from there) and on one play he signaled a "tip" from there when the ball was down on the opposite side block. Not surprised since there were 4 eyes on the ball at all times the entire time we watched. That's when I turned to my partner, said "I've seen enough," and went and got dressed.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

1)I am not a "if it's not in the rulebook don't use it" camp, but this particular signal will cause you a big problem. How? You signal a tip (clean block) and I come in with a foul.

2) Signal nothing here, since nothing happened.

1) I've been in the middle of that one.

2) You are wise beyond your years.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

OH..... REALY??... I have been told by more then a few officials that this is the correct mechanic on a clean block...

OOPS!!!

Don't know if oops is directed at me or you, but I'm sure you've read the consensus here. I put 'tipping' in the same category as backpedaling.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Oh my...

I suggest you delete that post before the veterans get on you! Please don't tell me that you do that "over-the-back" signal too.

Gosh no... no over the back or reach around.

My partner last night.. with the reaching around signal... looked like he just wanted to give somebody a hug.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

I signal tip every time to show clean block.

PLEASE REMOVE THIS (I'M NOT EVEN CALLING IT A MECHANIC) OUT OF YOUR GAME IMMEDIATELY!!!!

[JoeTheRef]

I had this play last week. A1 is driving to the basket for a layup, B1 jumps into A1 then blocks the shot cleanly. I saw that the contact before the shot block was a gained advantage for B1 to block the shot. The coach said he got all ball. I agreed and told him that I had substantial body contact before the block and if I have a block first and contact after we play on.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

I'm always a little fuzzy on it too. I look for hand on the ball first and formost, and go from there. I signal tip every time to show clean block.

Bad move IMO, what if a partner whistles foul? Now you got one coach happy and the other wants to know why he called a foul when you had a clean block. If it ain't a foul, don't blow you whistle...that's how they know.

[Bearfanmike20]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

Bad move IMO, what if a partner whistles foul? Now you got one coach happy and the other wants to know why he called a foul when you had a clean block. If it ain't a foul, don't blow you whistle...that's how they know.

OK.. well due to overwhelming pounding I'm taking on this.. the tip on block has been removed from my mechanics.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20

I'm always a little fuzzy on it too. I look for hand on the ball first and formost, and go from there. I signal tip every time to show clean block.

Sorry if this has been said, but I haven't had a lot of computer time the last few days. The "foul-tip" mechanic can get you in trouble. For example, my last game before break, my partner is L, doing the "foul tip" and I'm C with my fist in the air. That doesn't look the best.