Wild and crazy night

After I noticed it was 7-0, I was aware that it would probably be good to find one soon, but there just wasn't anything there.


Try to always be cognizant of the team foul count 1-0, 2-0, etc. Don't let 7-0 creep up on you unexpectedly coach.


When I asked them about the coach's comment, they advised me to get away from the teams as they exit at the half, which I hadn't thought of but was good advice.

Excellent advice & standard procedure 'round here... we wait until both teams exit before we leave the court.


Should I have gone to my partner (he was the R) or the table about it when I heard the fan freaking out?

Umm I would say when administering the throw-in check the clock once you chop.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

After I noticed it was 7-0, I was aware that it would probably be good to find one soon, but there just wasn't anything there.


Try to always be cognizant of the team foul count 1-0, 2-0, etc. Don't let 7-0 creep up on you unexpectedly coach.

Are you serious? Whointhehell cares about foul counts? Our job is to call the fouls. Period. If it's 7-0, why penalize the team that's playing good defense by trying to invent something to call against them? Call it fairly, equally and evenly..... and t'hell with trying to even things up.

Officiate the game, not the foul count.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious? Whointhehell cares about foul counts? Our job is to call the fouls. Period. If it's 7-0, why penalize the team that's playing good defense by trying to invent something to call against them? Call it fairly, equally and evenly..... and t'hell with trying even things up.

Officiate the game, not the foul count.

I'm sorry Oh Great One, but whereinthehell did I say anything about "trying to invent something" or "trying TO even things up"???

All I said was be cognizant instead of all of sudden noticing it's 7-0.
Geez! You couldn't wait to jump in huh
Carry on board, I have games to go work.


a-b-c ya!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

All I said was be cognizant instead of all of sudden noticing it's 7-0.

Great. Now explain exactly what's wrong about having a 7-0 foul count. Explain what difference it makes if you do have a 7-0 foul count, please.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Great. Now explain exactly what's wrong about having a 7-0 foul count. Explain what difference it makes if you do have a 7-0 foul count, please.

Game management. If it's 7-0, you know to expect the coach to be frustrated, and why. If there's a borderline (not a ticky foul, one you could go either way on) foul by the 0 team, you call it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Game management. If it's 7-0, you know to expect the coach to be frustrated, and why. If there's a borderline (not a ticky foul, one you could go either way on) foul by the 0 team, you call it.

I expected at least one coach to be frustrated when I left home, why is often anybodys guess.

I need some help with the explanation of what is a borderline foul, as opposed to a ticky foul. And I need a lot of help with how the foul count help you decide where to put one of these.

[just another ref]

On the subject of cognizance, back in the old days I was not registered and just called locally, jr. high and below. You know, the games where everybody knows you and can use your first name when they insult you. I was actually advised by coaches and "real" officials that knowledge like this was a bad thing.
"Put it out of your mind." I think this is largely good advice, but many times is impossible to follow, especially when it involves the star player being in foul trouble. You hear it shouted from the rafters: "Take it to him! He's got four!"

[chartrusepengui]

After I noticed it was 7-0, I was aware that it would probably be good to find one soon, but there just wasn't anything there.

After you "find one" do you continue to look for 6 more to keep the coach happy?

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Game management. If it's 7-0, you know to expect the coach to be frustrated, and why. If there's a borderline (not a ticky foul, one you could go either way on) foul by the 0 team, you call it.

I don't. 7-0 never has a bearing on whether I pass or call what you describe as a borderline call.

Go read your officials manual:
2.6 Game Management/Awareness on page 43-44
3.6 Game Management/Awareness on page 80-81.

It includes being professional toward players and coaches, etc while making unbiased decisions (judgement based on rules knowledge).

Nowhere does it say to apply situational ethics to assuage a frustrated coach.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Daryl H. Long

Nowhere does it say to apply situational ethics to assuage a frustrated coach.

That's a little inflammatory. BITS isn't describing "situational ethics", in the sense that most philosophical and religious people would use the term. He's talking about minor adjustments in judgment. There's no way anyone isn't making little adjustments in judgment here and there, for various reasons. Don't call that situational ethics.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Game management. If it's 7-0, you know to expect the coach to be frustrated, and why. If there's a borderline (not a ticky foul, one you could go either way on) foul by the 0 team, you call it.

Bull pucky, that's game management. Try calling it a lack of testicular fortitude instead, because that's exactly what it is. Advocating calling borderline fouls is ridiculous, unless you're also advocating calling similar borderline fouls for the whole game and against both teams. Your "game management" is being done with the sole purpose of trying to avoid having to deal with whiny coaches. And the fact that your "game management" is screwing the other team at the same time doesn't seem to bother you either.

Yeah right, game management......

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Great. Now explain exactly what's wrong about having a 7-0 foul count. Explain what difference it makes if you do have a 7-0 foul count, please.

And what do we do if we were cognizant earlier? What would we have done then?

[Daryl H. Long]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And what do we do if we were cognizant earlier? What would we have done then?

Nothing. JR has said it plainly, just call the game.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And what do we do if we were cognizant earlier? What would we have done then?

Here's what you do.

I'm working a state semi-final game, 5 years ago at ECU's Minges Colesium. Team A is down 5 and the fouls are 4-0 in the opponent's favor entering the second quarter. I'm in the slot in front of Coach A.

"The fouls are 4-0 in their favor."

"I know, coach. They haven't fouled anyone yet."

"Good point."

If the fouls are out of balance, I'm not going hunting. But at the same time, I'm going to be aware so that I don't mistakenly pass on one that should be called.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If the fouls are out of balance, I'm not going hunting. But at the same time, I'm going to be aware so that I don't mistakenly pass on one that should be called.

Exactly. Know the foul count. If the count is lopsided understand why. If it's something the crew needs to adjust in terms of consistency then do so. If not keep blowing the whistle and don't apologize for it.