Ball Handler Pushoff

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a sh!t about whether you can "sell" it or not?

Amen!

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Isn't there something in the rulebook something along the lines of "if a defender is within 3ft of the boundary line...."?

Hey BNR, how goes it . I think this is what you are looking for. So far as I can tell, it has remained unchanged for umpteen years. (Apologies to Juulie!!)

RULE 4 SECTION 7 BLOCKING, CHARGING
ART. 1 . . . Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of an opponent with or without the ball.
ART. 2 . . .
c. There must be reasonable space between two defensive players or a defensive player and a boundary line to allow the dribbler to continue in his/her path. If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater responsibility for the contact.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And just to add to what Scrappy wrote: If it's the right call, who gives a (insert gratuitous profanity here) about whether you can "sell" it or not?

I almost included that statement in my post. But I've disagreed with almost all of Oracle's posts so far and I didn't want to seem like I was piling on. But, of course, you're correct. Make the right call and don't worry about the sales job.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by justacoach

Hey BNR, how goes it . I think this is what you are looking for. So far as I can tell, it has remained unchanged for umpteen years. (Apologies to Juulie!!)

RULE 4 SECTION 7 BLOCKING, CHARGING
ART. 1 . . . Blocking is illegal personal contact which impedes the progress of an opponent with or without the ball.
ART. 2 . . .
c. There must be reasonable space between two defensive players or a defensive player and a boundary line to allow the dribbler to continue in his/her path. If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater responsibility for the contact.

No need to apologize! I was right that it was in there, and right about the concept. You've proven that, and that's a good thing! I was wrong about where to look for it, but now I know. That's a good thing too! Thanks!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But I've disagreed with almost all of Oracle's posts so far and I didn't want to seem like I was piling on.

You do realize that you're dealing with Old School again, don't you?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You do realize that you're dealing with Old School again, don't you?

He may be an Old School schoolmate, but it ain't the original Old School. I'm sure of that.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

He may be an Old School schoolmate, but it ain't the original Old School. I'm sure of that.

Wanna bet?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wanna bet?

My pen with the NCAA logo on it says, "Don't bet on it".

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

He may be an Old School schoolmate, but it ain't the original Old School. I'm sure of that.

Unless somebody is writing for O/S, that ain't him. The grammatical and sentence structure of these posts exceeds the 5th grade level. O/S's post didn't.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

My pen with the NCAA logo on it says, "Don't bet on it".

LOL!!

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

He may be an Old School schoolmate, but it ain't the original Old School. I'm sure of that.

Scrapper1, I concur with that idea. Grammar and spelling too highbrow and philosophical viewpoint too condescending to be confused with OS.


Jurassic: I'll take the bet. Do you have some admin side evidence to make a positive ID??

[Y2Koach]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

ok thanks. . There was very little contact but perhaps if their arms hit or light body contact there could be a block call. I'm thinking I might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, crash into the defender?"

Shooter jumps to shoot a jumper, defense swings at the ball and is about to hit the shooters arm, shooter does not shoot the ball and lands on the floor holding the ball to avoid getting hit by the defender. FOUL or travel? You might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, let the defense hit my arm?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Unless somebody is writing for O/S, that ain't him. The grammatical and sentence structure of these posts exceeds the 5th grade level. O/S's post didn't.

Agreed. I think I remember a post or two from Oracle that I didn't disagree with. Never happened with Old School.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Shooter jumps to shoot a jumper, defense swings at the ball and is about to hit the shooters arm, shooter does not shoot the ball and lands on the floor holding the ball to avoid getting hit by the defender. FOUL or travel? You might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, let the defense hit my arm?"

Travel. Respond "yes" to the player.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

My pen with the NCAA logo on it says, "Don't bet on it".

That is hilarious. Really enjoyable sitting through that this year. We're again parsing words.

I think it would be exceptionally difficult to make that call, where a dribbler puts his hands/arms in a spot to block a steal attempt, while maintaining a dribble, continuing play without an impending turnover, or doing anything advantageous. I'd also guess, that a defender going for a steal that aggressively would not be 100% clean, with or without the dribbler trying to protect it. So maybe sell is the wrong word, I cannot imagine that you'd have an offensive foul there very often at all. Almost always a no-call in my book.