Ball Handler Pushoff

[lpbreeze]

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

Sounds like the right call to me. No contact, no block

[FrankHtown]

I had this exact same play and almost came up with a block, but then realized there was no contact. OOB on the dribbler.

[lpbreeze]

ok thanks. . There was very little contact but perhaps if their arms hit or light body contact there could be a block call. I'm thinking I might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, crash into the defender?"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

ok thanks. . There was very little contact but perhaps if their arms hit or light body contact there could be a block call. I'm thinking I might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, crash into the defender?"

If the contact caused them to go OOB, call the block (assuming the defender was not in LGP). Otherwise, call the OOB. Sometimes the dribbler dribbles into a situation that they should have avoided. What they "should" have done was not even go there if the defender was cutting them off.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

ok thanks. . There was very little contact but perhaps if their arms hit or light body contact there could be a block call. I'm thinking I might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, crash into the defender?"

Take the out of bounds out of the equation. If there was enough contact that you would have called a foul in the middle of the floor, then call a foul here. If not, call the out of bounds.

[Y2Koach]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

ok thanks. . There was very little contact but perhaps if their arms hit or light body contact there could be a block call. I'm thinking I might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, crash into the defender?"

Shooter jumps to shoot a jumper, defense swings at the ball and is about to hit the shooters arm, shooter does not shoot the ball and lands on the floor holding the ball to avoid getting hit by the defender. FOUL or travel? You might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, let the defense hit my arm?"

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Shooter jumps to shoot a jumper, defense swings at the ball and is about to hit the shooters arm, shooter does not shoot the ball and lands on the floor holding the ball to avoid getting hit by the defender. FOUL or travel? You might get a player who says "what am I supposed to do, let the defense hit my arm?"

Travel. Respond "yes" to the player.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

The very definition of a personal foul is illegal contact on an opponent. Your question about the play is a little unclear; in one part you say there was a little contact, but your final question asks if there can be a foul with no contact.

So, to answer your last question first - no, you cannot have a blocking foul with no contact.

In your play description, if you feel there was just enough contact by the defense to force A1 to step OOB, then it sounds like a foul. If you feel A1 was going to step OOB before the contact, then it's a violation on A1. Judgement call.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

You are confused or your post is confusing. If B1 gets in the way and A1 has time to step around or go another direction, sure sounds likely to be an offensive foul. Did B1 have LGP before the contact? Who moved into the other player?

[lpbreeze]

- from what I saw the defensive player stepped in the path of A1 at the last second and if A1 would have continued forward then it would have been a blocking foul. A1 didn't have time to move out of the way so she stepped out of bounds. There was a little contact but very minor and no one fell down or anything like that. I called a block because in my mind A1 had to go out of bounds or she would have had to run into B1 who got to the spot late. If there was absolutely no contact then I suppose I would have called out of bounds but the contact was very little and I called a block even though it wasn't a typical block call.

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

- from what I saw the defensive player stepped in the path of A1 at the last second and if A1 would have continued forward then it would have been a blocking foul. A1 didn't have time to move out of the way so she stepped out of bounds. There was a little contact but very minor and no one fell down or anything like that. I called a block because in my mind A1 had to go out of bounds or she would have had to run into B1 who got to the spot late. If there was absolutely no contact then I suppose I would have called out of bounds but the contact was very little and I called a block even though it wasn't a typical block call.

In my mind, that's a good defensive play by B1. If A1 goes OOB to avoid the contact, then too bad for them.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

- from what I saw the defensive player stepped in the path of A1 at the last second and if A1 would have continued forward then it would have been a blocking foul. A1 didn't have time to move out of the way so she stepped out of bounds. There was a little contact but very minor and no one fell down or anything like that. I called a block because in my mind A1 had to go out of bounds or she would have had to run into B1 who got to the spot late. If there was absolutely no contact then I suppose I would have called out of bounds but the contact was very little and I called a block even though it wasn't a typical block call.

I am going to have to tell you I think your statements are contradictory here.

-Defensive playeer steps in at last second and if A continued forward there would have been contact...

-B-1 gets to spot late.

Remember, There is no time or distance that a defensive player has to give somone who is in player control. So if they got to the spot before contact, and meet the requirements of LGP its not a block....

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[Texas Aggie]

Called one last night. There WAS contact, and the dribbler clearly initiated both the closeness and push off. Easy call, though the partisans didn't exactly agree.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

different question but on the contact part- i had coaches saying out of bounds and the other saying block

if A1 is dribbling near the sideline toward her frountcourt. B1 gets in her way and it will clearly be a blocking foul but A1 steps out of bounds. There was little or no contact. I called a blocking foul because A1 was forced to go out of bounds. Was this the right call or can there be a blocking foul without contact?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Sounds like the right call to me. No contact, no block

Isn't there something in the rulebook something along the lines of "if a defender is within 3ft of the boundary line...."?