AT&T to the rescue!!!

Dan_ref · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 17, 2007, 07:34pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I look up in shock at my partner...wondering what he was thinking. He had both B1 and B2 blocking his view of the interior of the trap and couldn't possibly have seen the play. We come together to talk about it and I inform him that the defender knocked the ball out of A1's hands and that A1 got a new dribble as a result. He says that "since the ball didn't hit the floor, A1 can't dribble again". I informed him that there is no such requirement but he insists on sticking with his call...

Cute.

At this point it would be really hard for me to not tell him that I got this one, just trust me pard then blow the whistle declare an inadvertent whistle and give the ball back to A.

Nevadaref · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 17, 2007, 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

At this point it would be really hard for me to not tell him that I got this one, just trust me pard then blow the whistle declare an inadvertent whistle and give the ball back to A.

I agree. I would have reversed his call. I may have even done so without talking with him. Sometimes this is the only way that someone like that will learn.

Just stand out there at midcourt, blow the whistle a couple of times and wave your hands, then loudly announce that the defender knocked the ball loose and that it is still white's ball. Then administer the throw-in right there.

rainmaker · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Cute.

At this point it would be really hard for me to not tell him that I got this one, just trust me pard then blow the whistle declare an inadvertent whistle and give the ball back to A.

This action would never occur to me, so I need to clarify exactly how it would go. I'll salt it away for future use, after I'm sure I understand what you're saying.

Game progressing. Kid trapped as per OP. Ball bounces around, A1 dribbles out of trap, partner at endline blows whistle,**

do you give him time to signal? THen what?

You trot down to meet him, lean in and quietly say..... what? "You screwed the pooch, pard. Call it an IW, and I"ll get the ball back in a hurry."

Or just yell down to him, "I got it pard!!" Then, "Coach, it was an IW, we're giving it back to A. Here we go" and hustle off. Isn't that overriding the partner? Which is never okay?

rockyroad · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 12:37pm

I think I would have hit the whistle, run over to him and said "Hey, that ball got knocked out of his hands by the defender, so his second dribble was legal. You couldn't see that from where you were at, so I've got this one for you." Then simply turned to the table/coaches and signalled it was A's ball - if coach wants an explanation, I'd give him the same thing I told my partner...

No long discussion with him/her. No argument about the rule...just step in, state what you've got and put the ball in play. If they want to rehash it after the game, great - I'll let them know exactly what I thought of that call and them making it from where they were at. This is one of those times where protecting the game is more important than worrying about hurting my partners feelings.

Camron Rust · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

I think I would have hit the whistle, run over to him and said "Hey, that ball got knocked out of his hands by the defender, so his second dribble was legal. You couldn't see that from where you were at, so I've got this one for you." Then simply turned to the table/coaches and signalled it was A's ball - if coach wants an explanation, I'd give him the same thing I told my partner...

No long discussion with him/her. No argument about the rule...just step in, state what you've got and put the ball in play. If they want to rehash it after the game, great - I'll let them know exactly what I thought of that call and them making it from where they were at. This is one of those times where protecting the game is more important than worrying about hurting my partners feelings.

Now that's an interesting take. I have never considered that angle. I think the ability to pull that tactic off would depend on the partner. Not sure that it would have worked well on this one. Plus, I was a bit stunned at the call, it sort of froze me for a few seconds. It threw me for such a loop that I didn't fell I was "in the game" or 2-3 more trips up and down the court.

rainmaker · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Now that's an interesting take. I have never considered that angle. I think the ability to pull that tactic off would depend on the partner. Not sure that it would have worked well on this one. Plus, I was a bit stunned at the call, it sort of froze me for a few seconds. It threw me for such a loop that I didn't fell I was "in the game" or 2-3 more trips up and down the court.

Camron, I"m dying to know who it was. And I"m on leave of absence this year, so I'll never tell anyone else. Won't even SEE anyone else. Couldn't you e-mail me and let me know?

Camron Rust · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 08:02pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Camron, I"m dying to know who it was. And I"m on leave of absence this year, so I'll never tell anyone else. Won't even SEE anyone else. Couldn't you e-mail me and let me know?

Nope. Some things are OK to share, when you know they're OK with it...funny stuff. Knowing that people from this area do read this, I purposefully left out the day, date, teams, etc. so that it would not be possible to figure it out from what I wrote. The guy calls a really good game and did call a really good game that game (except for that one call).

I did, however, find out that he asked the commissioner (also our state rules interpreter) about it later and was told what the rule should have been. That point only came up when the commissioner asked how my game went and I asked if he'd seen my situation I posted here and he realized it was the same situation.

rainmaker · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 08:55pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Nope. Some things are OK to share, when you know they're OK with it...funny stuff. Knowing that people from this area do read this, I purposefully left out the day, date, teams, etc. so that it would not be possible to figure it out from what I wrote. The guy calls a really good game and did call a really good game that game (except for that one call).

I did, however, find out that he asked the commissioner (also our state rules interpreter) about it later and was told what the rule should have been. That point only came up when the commissioner asked how my game went and I asked if he'd seen my situation I posted here and he realized it was the same situation.

Doggone it, Camron, why do you have to be so ethical. And Howard's still reading, huh?

Hi, Howard...

Dan_ref · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Isn't that overriding the partner? Which is never okay?

Seems to me Camron's partner was the one doing the over riding on this play. All I'm suggesting is I wouldn't let him do that.

rockyroad · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 12:44pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

Isn't that overriding the partner? Which is never okay?

Says who???

rainmaker · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 01:00pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Says who???

I'm just thinking about all the advice to go quietly to the partner, give information and let the partner decide whether or not to change the call. I think you're saying that when I'm 100% sure that the partner just jumped under the train and pulled me with him, I can "fix" it for the good of the game, if I do it correctly. Would you say that's appropriate once a season or less? Shouldn't be undertaken lightly? Absolutely not for the faint of heart?

rockyroad · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 18, 2007, 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm just thinking about all the advice to go quietly to the partner, give information and let the partner decide whether or not to change the call. I think you're saying that when I'm 100% sure that the partner just jumped under the train and pulled me with him, I can "fix" it for the good of the game, if I do it correctly. Would you say that's appropriate once a season or less? Shouldn't be undertaken lightly? Absolutely not for the faint of heart?

I would say "yes" to all of your questions. Hopefully it never happens, but if it does, why let the partner screw it up and just stand there? Absolutely not to be taken lightly, but I would rather have my partner be mad at me than the assignor/supervisor who calls and asks "Why didn't you handle this?"