Simultaneous whistle / different calls?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

On the first sitch, this is why I always come up FIRST with the stop clock/violation signal for a jump ball rather than coming up first with the thumbs...and I know this is not an approved NF signal, but it prevents the very confusion presented in this case. In this case, unless I am sure my whistle blew first, I would just defer to my partner who had the TO and nobody would be any the wiser b/c I would not have signaled the jump ball

Wrong criteria. You don't go by who signaled first or who blew their whistle first. You go by which act occurred first. And that's what the officials have to decide amongst themselves.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Wrong criteria. You don't go by who signaled first or who blew their whistle first. You go by which act occurred first. And that's what the officials have to decide amongst themselves.

True that is a more accurate statement....same point thoug re: the stop clock signal preceeding the held ball signal, unless I am sure that the held ball OCCURRED first, I am going to defer to my partner who granted the TO and we move along...

[Adam]

Had one last Thursday in a JVG game. I'm lead, ball's in the paint on the far side of the lane very near the OOB line.

White, with one foot OOB, reaches and ties the ball up. Just as I'm blowing my whistle, partner blows from trail and has his thumbs up.

I wave him off, and announce that white was OOB, Black ball.

[Back In The Saddle]

Had one right at the end of a very close JVB game. Defender is pressing and has the ball-handler trapped in the corner in back court. He ties up the ball. I blow my whistle and signal jump ball just as I hear the offensive coach hollering for a time out. Too late, right?

My partner then gives a tweet-tweet, comes running across, waves off my jump ball and grants the time out.

It turns out that the coach had requested the time out clearly before the tie up. I had been too far away to hear it. My partner, who had recently finished up his football season, out of habit didn't have his whistle in his mouth.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Had one right at the end of a very close JVB game. Defender is pressing and has the ball-handler trapped in the corner in back court. He ties up the ball. I blow my whistle and signal jump ball just as I hear the offensive coach hollering for a time out. Too late, right?

My partner then gives a tweet-tweet, comes running across, waves off my jump ball and grants the time out.

It turns out that the coach had requested the time out clearly before the tie up. I had been too far away to hear it. My partner, who had recently finished up his football season, out of habit didn't have his whistle in his mouth.

Good call.

I had something similar the other night, also JVB. A1 bringing the ball across the division line gets trapped. Coach A starts asking for a time out, once, twice, three times. By the third one I had glanced at him and confirmed that his team had the ball, and whistled for the TO.

Just before my whistle, a defender had knocked the ball loose, and Team B recovered it just after the whistle. So to Coach B, this looked like a bad whistle. But I explained to him that I had granted the TO before I whistled. As you might guess, he thought I was wrong.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I was a spectator at a varsity game last night and it happened twice where two different refs blew their whistle seemingly simultaneously, and had different calls:

Sitch 1. One ref had a jump ball, and the other ref had a timeout by the coach prior to the jump ball. They huddled and went with the timeout.
Sitch 2. One ref had an out-of-bounds call and the other ref had a timeout by the coach. They huddled and went with the out-of-bounds.

Don't know if it's relevant, but, each time, the same ref "won".

My question is: What is talked about in the huddles and how is it determined which call to go with?

Thanks!

2.6 situation B: A violation and personal contact occur at about the same time. ...........the violation is observed by one official and the contact by the other.

Ruling: The officials shall decide which occurred first. etc. etc.