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[kblehman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Have you ever seen a lay-up? Without the rule, those would be illegal.

Originally Posted by blindzebra

So would be any shot other than a set-shot.

With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Have you ever seen a lay-up? Without the rule, those would be illegal.



With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.

But it does entail picking up your pivot foot before you release the ball.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by kblehman
With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.

Originally Posted by Scooby

But it does entail picking up your pivot foot before you release the ball.

True. But would there be a problem if the jump shooter switched from his left (pivot) foot to his right, and then picked it up to release the shot?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by kblehman
With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.


True. But would there be a problem if the jump shooter switched from his left (pivot) foot to his right, and then picked it up to release the shot?

pivot foot isn't attached to the floor. see above (or below if you have a browser like mine).

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by kblehman
With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.


True. But would there be a problem if the jump shooter switched from his left (pivot) foot to his right, and then picked it up to release the shot?

No, as long as his left didn't come back down. Because the right was never his pivot foot.

[kblehman]

Originally Posted by kblehman
Would there be a problem if the jump shooter switched from his left (pivot) foot to his right, and then picked it up to release the shot?

Originally Posted by jdw3018

No, as long as his left didn't come back down. Because the right was never his pivot foot.

Thank you, jdw. Your response prompts me to ask about 2 more scenarios. The first usually occurs in kids' games, the second occurs often in HS games.

1. A1 is being pressured heavily in the front court and is forced to pick up his dribble. Left foot becomes pivot. Defense now overplays the passing lanes. A1 starts to pass to A2 but sees it would be picked off so he holds up. However, his momentum has carried him off his left (pivot) and onto his right foot. So now he's balancing on his right foot, left foot in the air. This is not a travel unless his left foot comes back down, correct?

2. The point guard (A1) begins to penetrate, drawing defenders to him. A1 then kicks it out to B1, who is setting up for a three on the right wing. B1 catches the pass, then does a small bunny-hop to square himself for the three. The bunny-hop was with both feet and after he caught the ball. Is this a travel? (IMO yes) If so, how close do you call it?

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

1. A1 is being pressured heavily in the front court and is forced to pick up his dribble. Left foot becomes pivot. Defense now overplays the passing lanes. A1 starts to pass to A2 but sees it would be picked off so he holds up. However, his momentum has carried him off his left (pivot) and onto his right foot. So now he's balancing on his right foot, left foot in the air. This is not a travel unless his left foot comes back down, correct?

Correct. This is not a violation, and he can legally stand on his right foot until he returns his left to the floor or commits any other violation or foul (or obviously passes or shoots the ball).

Originally Posted by kblehman

2. The point guard (A1) begins to penetrate, drawing defenders to him. A1 then kicks it out to B1, who is setting up for a three on the right wing. B1 catches the pass, then does a small bunny-hop to square himself for the three. The bunny-hop was with both feet and after he caught the ball. Is this a travel? (IMO yes) If so, how close do you call it?

"Bunny-hopping" as you have described is illegal, and I will call it when I see it in a high school game. Depending on the level of play, this may get a pass from me in a middle school game.

There is a legal way to bunny-hop, and that's by executing a legal jump stop - if the player catches the ball with one foot on the ground, or catches in the air then lands on one foot, he can jump off that foot and onto both feet simultaneously, then jump to shoot or pass, or begin a dribble.

This is the one time a player who is standing and holding the ball (edit) may not establish a pivot foot.

[kblehman]

1. A1 is being pressured heavily in the front court and is forced to pick up his dribble. Left foot becomes pivot. Defense now overplays the passing lanes. A1 starts to pass to A2 but sees it would be picked off so he holds up. However, his momentum has carried him off his left (pivot) and onto his right foot. So now he's balancing on his right foot, left foot in the air. This is not a travel unless his left foot comes back down, correct?

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Correct. This is not a violation, and he can legally stand on his right foot until he returns his left to the floor or commits any other violation or foul (or obviously passes or shoots the ball).

Please indulge me for one more follow-up. What if A1 goes to pass the ball and instead of lifting his pivot foot off the floor he drags it 6" without it ever leaving the floor. Is that a travel?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by kblehman

1. A1 is being pressured heavily in the front court and is forced to pick up his dribble. Left foot becomes pivot. Defense now overplays the passing lanes. A1 starts to pass to A2 but sees it would be picked off so he holds up. However, his momentum has carried him off his left (pivot) and onto his right foot. So now he's balancing on his right foot, left foot in the air. This is not a travel unless his left foot comes back down, correct?

Correct.

Originally Posted by kblehman

2. The point guard (A1) begins to penetrate, drawing defenders to him. A1 then kicks it out to B1, who is setting up for a three on the right wing. B1 catches the pass, then does a small bunny-hop to square himself for the three. The bunny-hop was with both feet and after he caught the ball. Is this a travel? (IMO yes) If so, how close do you call it?

This is a travel. Around here, it never gets called. YMMV

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by kblehman

With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.

True, but it does entail LIFTING the pivot foot. The original poster didn't see how it was legal to step with your non-pivot foot and then lift your pivot foot. To him, that seemed like "switching" your pivot foot.

Bob's point and Blindzebra's point was that if you couldn't lift that pivot foot after stepping with the non-pivot foot, the lay-up and jump shot would be illegal -- exactly because both require you to lift your pivot foot.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by kblehman

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Have you ever seen a lay-up? Without the rule, those would be illegal.



With all due respect, a jump shot does not entail switching the pivot foot.

kblehman, this thread is now 15 posts long and I haven't seen you respond to the good answers you've been given. Why do you continue to argue that somehow what you posted above is "switching" your pivot foot?