Oh Boy! we have a mess!

[inigo montoya]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

I don't believe the 0.3 required for a shot can be used. What I'm not certain about is if an official had a count of 2 for closely guarded and then the shot went up, obviously taking more time, could they take 2 seconds off?

I've always been under the impression that an official must know the entire duration to have definite knowledge and make any change, but I can't find a citation that the official must have definite knowledge of the entire period of time consumed...

According to a senior official running a training scrimmage this offseason, you can take off whatever time that you have definite knowledge of, even if it's only part of the interval. So if you have a throw-in in A's backcourt and A dribbles up the court, crosses midcourt, and takes a shot and the clock fails to start, you may use the backcourt count to take off fewer than 10 seconds.

I believe that 0.3 can be taken off but I've never faced that situation in a game and am not dogmatic on the point. To me, it constitutes definite knowledge by rule, but others see it differently.

[Ignats75]

definite knowledge

Thats the important info. It must be definite knowledge. the NFHS does not allow for estimating. It must be definite knowledge.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Thats the important info. It must be definite knowledge. the NFHS does not allow for estimating. It must be definite knowledge.

Yes, but definite knowledge of what? hbioteach makes a good point that if a shot is taken, then we have definite knowledge that at least 0.3 had to elapse.

If I have definite knowledge through a closely guarded count that at least 2 seconds came off, can I take 2 seconds off even if I stopped counting before the ball was dead and in reality more than 2 seconds came off?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

I believe that 0.3 can be taken off but I've never faced that situation in a game and am not dogmatic on the point. To me, it constitutes definite knowledge by rule, but others see it differently.

I disagree.

The rule states that a shot following an inbounds pass/jump ball/FT rebound cannot score with 0.3 or less on the clock. It does NOT state that every shot must run at least 0.3 off of the clock (unless you're playing NBA rules).