Charge/Block contact

[Ref in PA]

I am pretty sure I got this right, but want to know your opinion.

A1 has the ball on the wing about foul line extended. A2 is at the top of the key and breaks toward the basket, moving around a screen set by A3. The entry pass to A2 is high and A2 leaps high in the air and secures the ball. B4, seeing the play, sets up in the path of A2 around the second lane position (out from underneath the basket). A2 lands on one foot and continues toward the basket taking a step with the other foot (although not a hugh step). With the second step, A2 contacts B4, knocking B4 to the floor. This was a bang-bang play and B4 did not establish position until A2 was in the air.

Because A2 had control of the ball, I called a charging foul on A2. However, if A2 were just cutting to the basket without the ball, I probably could have called a block on B4 because I did not think A2 would have had time and distance to react (due to the timing of B4 establishing position in the path of A2).

If I did get this right, I thank the board for previous threads that have helped me understand this play. I remember comments and a youtube video.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

I am pretty sure I got this right, but want to know your opinion.

A1 has the ball on the wing about foul line extended. A2 is at the top of the key and breaks toward the basket, moving around a screen set by A3. The entry pass to A2 is high and A2 leaps high in the air and secures the ball. B4, seeing the play, sets up in the path of A2 around the second lane position (out from underneath the basket). A2 lands on one foot and continues toward the basket taking a step with the other foot (although not a hugh step). With the second step, A2 contacts B4, knocking B4 to the floor. This was a bang-bang play and B4 did not establish position until A2 was in the air.

Because A2 had control of the ball, I called a charging foul on A2. However, if A2 were just cutting to the basket without the ball, I probably could have called a block on B4 because I did not think A2 would have had time and distance to react (due to the timing of B4 establishing position in the path of A2).

If I did get this right, I thank the board for previous threads that have helped me understand this play. I remember comments and a youtube video.

You got the call correct. When A2 secured control of the ball, the restriction for "time and distance" is removed.

Player control foul on A2.

If A2 never did obtain control, then the time and distance factor is obviously a judgment call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

You got the call correct. When A2 secured control of the ball, the restriction for "time and distance" is removed.

Player control foul on A2.

If A2 never did obtain control, then the time and distance factor is obviously a judgment call.

But he told us that A2 did get two steps down...which is enough...the rules say that the distance required is never more than two steps.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But he told us that A2 did get two steps down...which is enough...the rules say that the distance required is never more than two steps.

Good for him then. He still had to judge that two steps were taken.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref in PA

I am pretty sure I got this right, but want to know your opinion.

A1 has the ball on the wing about foul line extended. A2 is at the top of the key and breaks toward the basket, moving around a screen set by A3. The entry pass to A2 is high and A2 leaps high in the air and secures the ball. B4, seeing the play, sets up in the path of A2 around the second lane position (out from underneath the basket). A2 lands on one foot and continues toward the basket taking a step with the other foot (although not a hugh step). With the second step, A2 contacts B4, knocking B4 to the floor. This was a bang-bang play and B4 did not establish position until A2 was in the air.

Because A2 had control of the ball, I called a charging foul on A2.

You nailed it. Case book play 10.6.1SitA(b) is the exact play. The second step by A2 after landing is irrelevant to the call.

[tmp44]

Had the contact been made prior to the first foot hitting the ground, we have a block, correct?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Had the contact been made prior to the first foot hitting the ground, we have a block, correct?

If, as in the OP the defender didn't obtain that position until after A2 left the ground, then yes it would be a block in your scenario.

[Junker]

Great description in the OP by the way. These are hard plays to describe in print. Nicely done.

[Coltdoggs]

So I am reading that when control of the ball established here is the key for the criteria to make this a PC and not a block...

Had the offensive player not gained control of the balland the defender slid under him while in the air, we have a block.