Officials and Development

[TheOracle]

Yeah, the lawyer did a little research. Looks to me like University of Arizona and ASU have a grand total of zero technical fouls in their games this year for themselves or their opponents. Despite the point of emphasis, top officials will not be throwing out T's very often. It's a last resort.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Yeah, the lawyer did a little research. Looks to me like University of Arizona and ASU have a grand total of zero technical fouls in their games this year for themselves or their opponents. Despite the point of emphasis, top officials will not be throwing out T's very often. It's a last resort.

Yeah, google's pretty easy to use.

In fact I used it for about 5 minutes to come up with this list of officials with a pair of balls.

http://media.www.dailyorange.com/med...-3127217.shtml
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/sport...337225225.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=273130008
http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/260180
http://www.morningsun.net/stories/11...21320574.shtml
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ritethru.0839/
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200711120343
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...BlYcgD8STSVLG0

[dan74]

Well, another 'T' last night:

JV girls. Home team is getting trounced early in the game. With me as the trail in two person, home team's coach announces, although not real loudly, "that's a travel." With a couple minutes to go before the half, the home team coach again announces, "that's a travel," which again wasn't real loud. The player who the coach thought had traveled then picked up her dribble and quite obviously drug her pivot foot trying to distance herself from the defender. I then called traveling.

Home team coach responds, "that's a make up call for the ones you guys missed. That's three for them and one for us." I turned and told the coach that was enough and that he needed to coach his team and let us officiate.

Within a minute after starting the second half, the home team's coach announced, "that's a carry." I hit my whistle and administered the T.

Here's the deal: I didn't try to immediately analyze whether the coach had good reason to question our calls or non-calls, sorry Oracle. I simply issued a "T," and didn't sweat it afterward, as many have suggested.

With that said, however, I will keep working on my game management skills, or lack thereof.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by dan74

home team's coach announces, although not real loudly, "that's a travel."

With a couple minutes to go before the half, the home team coach again announces, "that's a travel," which again wasn't real loud.

Home team coach responds, "that's a make up call for the ones you guys missed. That's three for them and one for us."

I turned and told the coach that was enough and that he needed to coach his team and let us officiate.

Within a minute after starting the second half, the home team's coach announced, "that's a carry." I hit my whistle and administered the T.

Here's the deal: I didn't try to immediately analyze whether the coach had good reason to question our calls or non-calls, sorry Oracle. I simply issued a "T," and didn't sweat it afterward, as many have suggested.

With that said, however, I will keep working on my game management skills, or lack thereof.

Sounds pretty good. I learned the hard way not to say, "You coach, I'll officiate." It's a set up for him to say, "Well then you start doing it!" At which point you have to T him. Better to say, "Coach, that's enough reffing." or just (as you did) "Coach, that's enough".

And I know others won't agree with this, but I'd have given him one more stop sign or "that's enough" or hairy eyeball for the first complaint after half-time.

Also, if it's not real loud, sometimes you can just define what he's doing as talking to himself, and practice feeling sorry for the girls who aren't getting a good learning experience. But that will depend on where you've drawn your line. You knew what your limit was, you communicated taht line and you didn't have a chip on your shoulder. That's a pretty good job!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by dan74

Within a minute after starting the second half, the home team's coach announced, "that's a carry." I hit my whistle and administered the T.

Here's the deal: I didn't try to immediately analyze whether the coach had good reason to question our calls or non-calls, sorry Oracle. I simply issued a "T," and didn't sweat it afterward, as many have suggested.

With that said, however, I will keep working on my game management skills, or lack thereof.

You warned him. He wouldn't listen. He earned the technical foul.

Good job imo.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Sounds pretty good. I learned the hard way not to say, "You coach, I'll officiate."

Juulie, as you know, I usually say, "Coach, let's switch places. You come out here and officiate the game and I'll sit on the bench and act like a jackass."

[dan74]

Hey, four games today and no technicals! However, I did issue one warning and offered one coach a hug, although he politely declined. Sorry, couldn't resist, Oracle. I was just trying to acknowledge his emotions...just kidding OC, I hear what you're saying.

Three more tomorrow...more opportunity to work on game management.

[swkansasref33]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Juulie, as you know, I usually say, "Coach, let's switch places. You come out here and officiate the game and I'll sit on the bench and act like a jackass."

hahaha... i just may have to use that one pretty soon here. I had a coach that kept yappin at me today in rec ball, and I told him i had heard enough. at halftime, i sat down at the scorer's table, and he comes down and sits next to me, and tries to start talkin to me. I said "Brian, Im not discussing this with you" and he goes "I think" and I said "NO. this isn't goin anywhere" and I got up and walked out of the gym. Then he follows me out of the gym, and tries to start talkin to me! I said "Brian, you are wrong. You shouldnt do this" and he says "You are worthless. Quit acting like a jackass" now, I would have t'd his *** up, but i was more worried about keepin myself from knockin him out rather than t'ing him up. next time, its a no-brainer. it wont get that far. Im still kickin myself for not doin it, and will be for a long time, but hey, I kept myself out of jail, and in officiating for not doin the first thing that came to my mind, so im not too bad off

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

he says "You are worthless. Quit acting like a jackass" now, I would have t'd his *** up, but i was more worried about keepin myself from knockin him out rather than t'ing him up. next time, its a no-brainer. it wont get that far. Im still kickin myself for not doin it, and will be for a long time, but hey, I kept myself out of jail, and in officiating for not doin the first thing that came to my mind, so im not too bad off

Not to kick a dead horse or nothin but it's like a disease, the abuse and frustarations we'll accept in order to not give T. They must have 12 Step programs for this .

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by swkansasref33

hahaha... i just may have to use that one pretty soon here. I had a coach that kept yappin at me today in rec ball, and I told him i had heard enough. at halftime, i sat down at the scorer's table, and he comes down and sits next to me, and tries to start talkin to me. I said "Brian, Im not discussing this with you" and he goes "I think" and I said "NO. this isn't goin anywhere" and I got up and walked out of the gym. Then he follows me out of the gym, and tries to start talkin to me! I said "Brian, you are wrong. You shouldnt do this" and he says "You are worthless. Quit acting like a jackass" now, I would have t'd his *** up, but i was more worried about keepin myself from knockin him out rather than t'ing him up. next time, its a no-brainer. it wont get that far. Im still kickin myself for not doin it, and will be for a long time, but hey, I kept myself out of jail, and in officiating for not doin the first thing that came to my mind, so im not too bad off

He follows me out of the gym, he's not getting a T, he's getting ejected. He's got no business trying to talk to me when he should be coaching his kids, but that's not enough for the T, imo. But then when I try to keep things on track and he pursues the derailment behavior, well.... mmm... mmm... mmm...

[refman1964]

I'm in complete agreement here with jurassic. I had a sitch the other night at a Jr. High ballgame. After being warned about his complaining, Team A coach came several feet out onto the floor with are raised complaining about a call my part. had made from the L.. I gave the coach the T and while I was reporting he took a few steps toward the baseline turned and quite briskly came at me complaing and pointing his finger at me. I gave him a stop sign. He didn't So I whacked him again. I'm not waiting for anyone to come call the second one in a situation like that.