Reach in foul on player

[Junker]

I believe the reaching in mechanic is right next to the over the back mechanic in the rulesbook.

[rngrck]

Why can't you report it as reaching in while signaling the illegal use of hands signal? Some coaches want to know exactly what the player did. To me , illegal use of hands is too general.

[bob jenkins]

Because it perpetuates the myth that all "reaching in" is a foul.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because it perpetuates the myth that all "reaching in" is a foul.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, hacks me off more when it comes to this avocation than hearing an official use the terms "reach-in" or "Over the Back".

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, hacks me off more when it comes to this avocation than hearing an official use the terms "reach-in" or "Over the Back".

I often use "ON the Back" with my pushing signal for "on the back" rebound fouls... I do it for two reasons, 1. I want to emphasize that on the back is a foul, over the back ain't, and 2. I have a push, while the rebounder is up in the air and all over somebody's back and shoulders to get the rebound, stating it as a push just doesn't make much sense to me (IMO).

[cmckenna]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I often use "ON the Back" with my pushing signal for "on the back" rebound fouls... I do it for two reasons, 1. I want to emphasize that on the back is a foul, over the back ain't, and 2. I have a push, while the rebounder is up in the air and all over somebody's back and shoulders to get the rebound, stating it as a push just doesn't make much sense to me (IMO).

Too much talking for my taste. I was always taught that when you report, you say the color and say and show the number but then only signal the foul using the correct mechanic, not verbally. Talking invites trouble.

It also avoids a problem where you might say push and signal hold....

If the coach wants an explanation, he can ask for one at the next opportunity.

No need to say anything or make up mechanics

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Too much talking for my taste. I was always taught that when you report, you say the color and say and show the number but then only signal the foul using the correct mechanic, not verbally. Talking invites trouble.

It also avoids a problem where you might say push and signal hold....

If the coach wants an explanation, he can ask for one at the next opportunity.

No need to say anything or make up mechanics

Agree.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by cmckenna

Too much talking for my taste. I was always taught that when you report, you say the color and say and show the number but then only signal the foul using the correct mechanic, not verbally. Talking invites trouble.

It also avoids a problem where you might say push and signal hold....

If the coach wants an explanation, he can ask for one at the next opportunity.

No need to say anything or make up mechanics

I can see where it could be a problem when you say one thing and show another, but I just assume state the foul to avoid confusion and no explanation needed at the next opportunity. Just as much as talking can invite trouble, it can also alleviate some troubles. Just my preference and opinion.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, hacks me off more when it comes to this avocation than hearing an official use the terms "reach-in" or "Over the Back".

Quiz: a "reach around" though, is:

a) an automatic foul
b) only polite

[Junker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Quiz: a "reach around" though, is:

a) an automatic foul
b) only polite

This might be the funniest post I've read all year and people seem to be ignoring it. Nice....nice.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Quiz: a "reach around" though, is:

a) an automatic foul
b) only polite

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rngrck

Why can't you report it as reaching in while signaling the illegal use of hands signal? Some coaches want to know exactly what the player did. To me , illegal use of hands is too general.

The same reason you shouldn't report "over the back" while giving the pushing signal.

If the coach is watching the play, he knows what his kid did. If you have to say something, say "on the arm" or "push" or "block."

That, and what Bob says.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same reason you shouldn't report "over the back" while giving the pushing signal.

Randy McCall actually gave a signal for that in the NV/Cal game Wednesday night.

[Mark Padgett]

Too bad I can't find a pic of Larry Craig signaling a reach.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by rngrck

Why can't you report it as reaching in while signaling the illegal use of hands signal? Some coaches want to know exactly what the player did. To me , illegal use of hands is too general.

"Reaching in" is as much or more ambiguous as illegal use of hands in the context of the type of foul we're talking about.

If the coach wants to know what his guy did and asks you respectfully, you can tell him exactly what he did. But "reaching in" shouldn't be your answer.