Anyone watching the Indiana/Ga Tech game?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by PYRef

I disagree. It's obvious from this discussion that if you use the traveling signal, everyone won't know what you've called, because there is no way to "travel" during a throw-in.

Whether the official misinterpreted the rules or not won't be known, but the proper mechanic tells everyone it was a throw-in violation, whatever it may be.

So the traveling signal cannot possibly communicate anything other than a traveling violation? At all? Ever? To anyone? I think you're vastly overstating your opinion on this one.

And as for the proper mechanic, what does it really communicate? Referees are the only ones that know there is such a thing as the generic, but somewhat adequate Signal 26. Nobody who sees it is going to say to himself, "Self, that's an artfully executed signal denoting 'free throw, designated spot, or other violation.'" To everybody else it's just pointing in the general direction of what went wrong and hoping those you're trying to communicate to can properly infer what went wrong from seeing where you're pointing. It's not entirely useless. But it's not great either.

Let me give you something to mull over. What if the Fed changed the caption of Signal 19 to read: Traveling or designated spot violation? Hmmm, all of a sudden people here would start to say things like, "The big dogs have been doing it for years." and, "that really makes more sense." or just plain, "okay, whatever."

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So the traveling signal cannot possibly communicate anything other than a traveling violation? At all? Ever? To anyone? I think you're vastly overstating your opinion on this one.

BITS, I'm not quite sure how you came to this conclusion but I don't see how I'm vastly overstating anything. Using that mechanic to indicate a throw-in violation doesn't make sense. Please tell me when else during a game, and in what context, you would use that signal for something other than a travel?

I thought I only pointed out the obvious. You have an official signal a travel violation during a throw-in and you have a forum full of somewhat experienced officials that are arguing over what he called.
Doesn't seem real clear to me.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Please tell me when else during a game, and in what context, you would use that signal for something other than a travel?

In NCAA, we use the same signal to indicate that a time-out is only being used to make a substitution.

I know. That has nothing to do with the overall discussion. I'm just answering a direct question from PYRef.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In NCAA, we use the same signal to indicate that a time-out is only being used to make a substitution.

I know. That has nothing to do with the overall discussion. I'm just answering a direct question from PYRef.

What?!?!? That's impossible. There's no pivot foot during a timeout. You cannot travel during a timeout. It must be some unauthorized mechanic that only the big dogs can get away with. And it just burns my bottom that we're perpetuating the myth that there's a pivot foot during a timeout. Don't they know the endless trouble that's going to cause during my 4th grade travel league games?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In NCAA, we use the same signal to indicate that a time-out is only being used to make a substitution.

I know. That has nothing to do with the overall discussion. I'm just answering a direct question from PYRef.

Well my signal is a little different. With the substitution time-out, I use the same motion, but I am only using my index fingers (my travel is with a closed fist). Usually the little gesture sign the coaches use to let us know that we missed a travel.. F

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In NCAA, we use the same signal to indicate that a time-out is only being used to make a substitution.

I know. That has nothing to do with the overall discussion. I'm just answering a direct question from PYRef.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

What?!?!? That's impossible. There's no pivot foot during a timeout. You cannot travel during a timeout. It must be some unauthorized mechanic that only the big dogs can get away with. And it just burns my bottom that we're perpetuating the myth that there's a pivot foot during a timeout. Don't they know the endless trouble that's going to cause during my 4th grade travel league games?

Sorry guys, the timeout for a substitution mechanic is different. It is done using only two fingers above the head.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Sorry guys, the timeout for a substitution mechanic is different. It is done using only two fingers above the head.

You should be sorry. Ok, that's a little stronger than I intended; but anybody swirling 2 fingers over their head should be embarrassed. That would look distinctly. . . goofy.

There actually isn't a signal listed for this in the CCA handbook this year, but I'm 99.999999999% positive that when it was introduced, it was the traveling signal. No way am I "swirling" unless I get ripped for the traveling signal.

Scrapper, if you have a 2007-08 NCAA rule book, go look on page 168 and you'll see this mechanic. Or just go to this link.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf

and it's not exactly done by "swirling" your fingers like your wearing pink panties like you suggest.
Unless you do. (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Scrapper, if you have a 2007-08 NCAA rule book, go look on page 168 and you'll see this mechanic. Or just go to this link.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/20...ball_rules.pdf

and it's not exactly done by "swirling" your fingers like your wearing pink panties like you suggest.
Unless you do. (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

That's a woman's mechanic.

Those of us who know Scrappy know that he's a men's official...who happens to wear pink panties but there's nothing wrong with that (Well, nothing too wrong with that... he's just confused...)

btw I see it on p205

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by PYRef

Scrapper, if you have a 2007-08 NCAA rule book, go look on page 168 and you'll see this mechanic.

I do have rulebook, but believe it or not, there are no signals in it. In the table of contents, it shows signals and gives a page number, but the book itself leaves those sections out. Very strange.

But I do see the signal on the PDF version that you linked. As Dan_ref said, it's a women's mechanic, which explains why I was not familiar with it. And as I said, I sure looks goofy.

and it's not exactly done by "swirling" your fingers like your wearing pink panties like you suggest.

It sure looks like swirling. Yuck.