Anyone watching the Indiana/Ga Tech game?

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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Tell me it ain't so! Not in D-1.

I've seen it countless times on TV in D-1 games. Officials get to that level by managing games and being believable, not by having book-perfect mechanics.

However, it is confounding to think that it never entered their mind that it is impossible to travel when pivot foot restrictions do not apply.

[BEAREF]

I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

My guess is these guys know this. My guess is they don't care because they think there should be a mechanic. My guess is they don't care because the coaches are smart enough to know what the call is when the use the mechanic.

My problem is when the 7th grade AAU coach is watching this and think the call was traveling, then thinks his players can't move their pivot foot during a throwin. You can usually tell these coaches by the way their players execute a throwin. If the thrower is pivoting off one foot like he's inbounds, his coach is 98.531341343513431% more likely to yell at you for not calling the other team's inbounder for traveling.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My guess is these guys know this. My guess is they don't care because they think there should be a mechanic.

I was observing a D-2 tournament a couple weekends ago. After the first game, I was sitting with two of the officials as we watched the 2nd game. An official called a throw-in violation for running the endline on a spot throw-in. He gave the correct signal. One of the D-2 guys said, "why didn't he give the traveling signal?" We explained it to him.... took a while for him to comprehend.

[Nevadaref]

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Originally Posted by BEAREF
I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

Originally Posted by tjones1

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

That may be true for NCAA play, but there is a signal for this violation in NFHS rules.

The NFHS signal is #26 on the chart.

[Rich]

Such terrible officials. I don't know how they get games

Nobody (but us) cares.

I was wondering watching the game if anyone would comment on this crew (I know Welmer and Hightower are favorites of many here). Me, I was thinking "what a high-powered crew for a non-conference game."

[aces88]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I was wondering watching the game if anyone would comment on this crew (I know Welmer and Hightower are favorites of many here). Me, I was thinking "what a high-powered crew for a non-conference game."

This is part of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. These are high profile games, so the officiating crews are being assigned accordingly.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by aces88

This is part of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. These are high profile games, so the officiating crews are being assigned accordingly.

But, but, Welmer's TERRIBLE. And Hightower's OVER THE HILL. And.....

At least that's what I read here

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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That may be true for NCAA play, but there is a signal for this violation in NFHS rules.

The NFHS signal is #26 on the chart.

The signal is (at least approximately) the same in NCAA -- see the bottom left of page 162 (NCAAM) and 174 (NCAAW) in the rules book.

That said, the "traveling" signal makes more sense -- it really means "moving in excess of what's allowed" -- and that applies to both "travelling" and to leaving the designated spot.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The signal is (at least approximately) the same in NCAA -- see the bottom left of page 162 (NCAAM) and 174 (NCAAW) in the rules book.

That said, the "traveling" signal makes more sense -- it really means "moving in excess of what's allowed" -- and that applies to both "travelling" and to leaving the designated spot.

Hmmm, let's see....

If signals are about communicating, and the "traveling" signal is more informative than current practice, that would make it....better communication?

The devil, you say!

[jdw3018]

Well, it's only better communication if it doesn't confuse the issue. The problem is that coaches, players, and others get the wrong idea about what's acceptable and what's not during a throw-in based on using the traveling violation.

I know it's not our job to teach them that, but the NFHS and the NCAA have prescribed a mechanic for a reason - and the traveling mechanic isn't the one they have chosen.

I don't really care - it's a rarely seen violation and for the most part the message gets across either way. I just dislike using the traveling signal because it leads others to believe you must have a pivot foot during a throw-in.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The signal is (at least approximately) the same in NCAA -- see the bottom left of page 162 (NCAAM) and 174 (NCAAW) in the rules book.

I looked at those signals before my last post and believe that they do NOT convey that a violation of the spot has occurred, rather the signal is used to indicate the proper location of an ensuing throw-in following a foul or violation. In other words, I don't think that what you say is an intended use.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I looked at those signals before my last post and believe that they do NOT convey that a violation of the spot has occurred, rather the signal is used to indicate the proper location of an ensuing throw-in following a foul or violation. In other words, I don't think that what you say is an intended use.

The NCAAM description says "throw in spot or designated spot violation"

I agree that the NCAAW description doesn't include the word "violation" and the signal is on the "information" page, not the "violation" page.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That said, the "traveling" signal makes more sense -- it really means "moving in excess of what's allowed" -- and that applies to both "travelling" and to leaving the designated spot.

I completely disagree. Traveling has everything to do with the pivot foot and there is no pivot foot on a throw-in.