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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 09:21pm
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So you are saying your partner told you he had a TO and you told him to hold it until you reported the violation. Once you reported it, then your partner granted the timeout then asked you who called it?

Is that correct?
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 09:30pm
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Ok, just making sure.

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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 09:32pm
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I agree with Nev's general principle here. Whenever I'm involved in a miscommunication (and whatever mess ensues because if it), I first want to know what I could have done differently to prevent the miscommunication.

There was a play in my first game of the year where I'm at T and my partner has a whistle on a drive to the hole. I hustle down to the baseline to start lining the players up for the free throws. Only my partner waves me off because what she actually called was traveling. But she's not very tall, was screened by a group of players who were fairly tall, and I only inferred a foul because "it must be; what else would it be?" Whoops.

Perhaps your partner here believed there was a TO call because...well, what else could it be?

Which does not explain the brain fart that came next with him reporting "your TO," especially after you made your report.
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 09:39pm
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I need to be clear. I'm not posting this to make anyone look bad, make me look real good, or with any malace. The guy and I have worked together before and will more than likely do so a few more times this year and in the future. It was just a goofy situation that happened... one you obviously don't see very often and hopefully that we can all learn from.
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 09:41pm
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Ok, just making sure.

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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 10:18pm
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Is that what's going on when my wife says, "no offense, but do you have to take the entire newspaper in there?"
Better than "Do you have to take the whole Sears Catalog in there?"
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Old Tue Nov 27, 2007, 10:38pm
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The end of their Turkey Tournament. I believe we've got the second game of the night at ~6pm.
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 03:54am
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I signal the line violation, and say to players, "We have a boundary violation, blue."
#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

#2 Think about your mechanic. It may not have been clear. If you feel that it was, then no problem. You've done your reflection about this situation, so keep doing as you do. If you aren't happy with it, then make a change.

#3 Have a nice discussion with your partner about why we don't relay or "piggy-back" time-outs. This was likely what led to his confusion on the play. Advise that each official only report the time-outs which have been requested to him. Take your own stuff to the table.




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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 06:42am
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#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

#2 Think about your mechanic. It may not have been clear. If you feel that it was, then no problem. You've done your reflection about this situation, so keep doing as you do. If you aren't happy with it, then make a change.

#3 Have a nice discussion with your partner about why we don't relay or "piggy-back" time-outs. This was likely what led to his confusion on the play. Advise that each official only report the time-outs which have been requested to him. Take your own stuff to the table.




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Congratulations on your 6,000th post. Too bad only 137 of them were worth reading.
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 10:55am
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 03:43pm
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Better than "Do you have to take the whole Sears Catalog in there?"

Paper shortage in Oregon?
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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 03:45pm
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#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

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Old Wed Nov 28, 2007, 06:46pm
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PY ref would be right. #26.
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Congratulations on your 6,000th post. Too bad only 137 of them were worth reading.
That many?
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Old Thu Nov 29, 2007, 01:06am
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PY ref would be right. #26.
Not saying that I have the perfect solution to this, but I'm not sure that #26 is a great choice in this case. First, I'm not sure that it is proper as we must remember that this is the defense reaching over the boundary plane, not the offense leaving the spot and secondly this signal is not very visible.

Personally, I employ a non-standard mechanic in this case for clarity. (This is something that I do very rarely.) I give the "Tomahawk Chop." It is very visible and has worked well for me.
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