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refnrev Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:23pm

Goofy situation
 
Had a goofy situation tonight. In pre-game I ask the timer if he knows the new rules on first horn. He doesn't. We go over them. Then, in 4th quarter, I have a warning on blue for a boundary violation on the throw-in. As I'm going over to report it both teams run to benches for a TO. My partner starts to tell the timer to start the clock for a TO. I tell my partner to hold reporting the TO until I finish reporting the warning. I go back to spot of the ball. Partner calls out to me, "Who called the TO?" I walk over and said, "I didn't give anyone a TO. I had a bounday violation warning." Seems the timer and partner thought it was a TO. Partner goes to the teams and says, "Get back on the court, we don't have a TO." Girls trot back on to the court. Watched my body language... I really did... but had to think to myself, what in the world just happened? How can you get a warning and a TO mixed up? And how can you stop a TO once you've told them they have one?

Ralph Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
Had a goofy situation tonight. In pre-game I ask the timer if he knows the new rules on first horn. He doesn't. We go over them. Then, in 4th quarter, I have a warning on blue for a boundary violation on the throw-in. As I'm going over to report it both teams run to benches for a TO. My partner starts to tell the timer to start the clock for a TO. I tell my partner to hold reporting the TO until I finish reporting the warning. I go back to spot of the ball. Partner calls out to me, "Who called the TO?" I walk over and said, "I didn't give anyone a TO. I had a bounday violation warning." Seems the timer and partner thought it was a TO. Partner goes to the teams and says, "Get back on the court, we don't have a TO." Girls trot back on to the court. Watched my body language... I really did... but had to think to myself, what in the world just happened? How can you get a warning and a TO mixed up? And how can you stop a TO once you've told them they have one?

No offense, but whose responsibility was it to communicate exactly what was going on so there was no confusion?

refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 08:03am

That would be mine -- the guy who blew the whistle, signaled the violation, then went to the table to report it. I would say it that was pretty clear.

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 27, 2007 08:29am

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Originally Posted by Ralph
No offense, but whose responsibility was it to communicate exactly what was going on so there was no confusion?

No offense, but is the air really thin way up there on your high horse? :confused:

My question for the original situation is why is your partner reporting a time-out that he thinks you granted? Might want to remind him that if you granted a time-out, you want to report it yourself. He's probably just trying to help, but that's just not his responsibility.

refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:55am

Good call Scrappy -- that was my point. With a clear bounday violation where did the TO come from and why was he reporting it? I'm writing last night off as a weird one and looking forward.

Adam Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:52am

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Originally Posted by Ralph
No offense, but whose responsibility was it to communicate exactly what was going on so there was no confusion?

Just because you say, "no offense," doesn't make your post any less condescending and arrogant.

No offense.

mbyron Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Just because you say, "no offense," doesn't make your post any less condescending and arrogant.

No offense.

Indeed, many people preface the most offensive tripe with the expression, apparently not understanding that some things can't be said (or written) without giving offense.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Indeed, many people preface the most offensive tripe with the expression, apparently not understanding that some things can't be said (or written) without giving offense.

Is that what's going on when my wife says, "no offense, but do you have to take the entire newspaper in there?" :p

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Indeed, many people preface the most offensive tripe with the expression, apparently not understanding that some things can't be said (or written) without giving offense.

I heard a comedian use "I'm just sayin" that way. As if "I'm just sayin" makes the comment ok. "I'm not sayin' you're a disgusting fat slob, but you could lose 40 or 50 pounds. I'm just sayin'."

Camron Rust Tue Nov 27, 2007 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by Ralph
No offense, but whose responsibility was it to communicate exactly what was going on so there was no confusion?

Once again, you assume he did something wrong. Should he, after blowing the whistle, list everything he's NOT blowing the whistle for??? Sounds like he did everything right but the players and partner were not paying attention. Perhaps it was time when a timeout was expected. The partner may be to blame for assuming a timeout was called, but not the OP.

mbyron Tue Nov 27, 2007 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I heard a comedian use "I'm just sayin" that way. As if "I'm just sayin" makes the comment ok. "I'm not sayin' you're a disgusting fat slob, but you could lose 40 or 50 pounds. I'm just sayin'."

Exactly. I mean, good example.

I'm just sayin. ;)

Nevadaref Tue Nov 27, 2007 07:01pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Once again, you assume he did something wrong. Should he, after blowing the whistle, list everything he's NOT blowing the whistle for??? Sounds like he did everything right but the players and partner were not paying attention. Perhaps it was time when a timeout was expected. The partner may be to blame for assuming a timeout was called, but not the OP.

I don't know what his mechanic was. Perhaps he pointed to the team bench that was to receive the warning and that was misleading. Until the OP responds I can't say. If this happened to me, I would definitely wonder if I did something to make the teams think that I had granted a TO.

In other words before being upset with my partner, the table crew, or the teams, I would take a hard look in the mirror. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." ;)

refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:08pm

Let's review it again.
White has ball to inbound at the baseline.
I have my left hand in the air and am counting with right arm. Whistle is in my mouth.
Blue reaches through the line and commits voundary violation as white tries to throw the ball in. NO - she did not make contact for an intentional foul.
Tweet.
I signal the line violation, and say to players, "We have a boundary violation, blue."
Walk towards the table to reporting area.
Tell my partner who is starting to report a TO to hold the TO until the violation is reported.
Report the violation by saying, "We have bounday violation; blue; first warning."
Go back to baseline with ball.
Partner then reports a TO. Then he asks me, who called the time out?
I think that covers the mechanics I used.

tjones1 Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:11pm

Bob,

So you are saying your partner told you he had a TO and you told him to hold it until you reported the violation. Once you reported it, then your partner granted the timeout then asked you who called it?

Is that correct?

PYRef Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:15pm

How do you report a timeout if you don't know who requested it?

I'm just sayin', it sounds like it may be some misinterpretation by the partner.


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