Uniform problem in Tennessee

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Juulie:

Way to go. Now are you starting to talk like me.

MTD, Sr.

YIKES!! Padgett-- Call me!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

YIKES!! Padgett-- Call me!

Just call 1-800-nutjobs and ask for Dr. Niles Curvy. If he's not available, ask for Dr. Vinny Boombatz.

OK - trivia quiz - who knows what comedians used to claim these were their doctors?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just call 1-800-nutjobs and ask for Dr. Niles Curvy. If he's not available, ask for Dr. Vinny Boombatz.

OK - trivia quiz - who knows what comedians used to claim these were their doctors?

OK -- Not-So-Trivial Quiz: Who cares?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Unfortunately, the officials still misapplied the rule since the T needs to be enforced the first time the player with the illegal uniform enters the floor. If the T is not enforced at that time, it cannot be retroactively enforced.

Seems that some of those here need to read the following:

3.6 SITUATION A: A1 is discovered participating with a visible manufacturer's logo on the shirt. RULING: The shirt is illegal, but the technical-foul penalty cannot be invoked unless A1 is replaced and then re-enters. (10-3-2 Penalty)

3.6 SITUATION C: Prior to the jump ball to start the game, the officials observe that the five Team B starters are all wearing pants which have a manufacturer's logo or school's mascot (a) which meets the proper dimension limitations; or (b) exceeds the limitation of 2¼ square inches by 2¼ square inches in any one dimension. RULING: Legal uniforms in (a). In (b), each of the Team B starters is charged with a technical foul. The starters may play and will not be penalized again if they leave and re-enter. Entering substitutes who become players will also be penalized individually if they are wearing illegal pants.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW any of the five 2nd half starters who were in the game at the end of the 2nd quarter should not have been penalized upon returning to the court for the start of the 3rd quarter.

RULING: The shirt is illegal, but the technical-foul penalty cannot be invoked unless A1 is replaced and then re-enters. (10-3-2 Penalty)

Interesting. I would have thought that when the players became bench personnel at halftime, they could be charged with the technical foul at the start of the third quarter.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just call 1-800-nutjobs and ask for Dr. Niles Curvy. If he's not available, ask for Dr. Vinny Boombatz.

OK - trivia quiz - who knows what comedians used to claim these were their doctors?

Dr. Boombatz is a great doctor. I really like him.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark Padgett]

Everybody give up? Johnny Carson goes to Dr. Curvey and Rodney Dangerfield goes to Dr. Boombatz.

I guess MTD Sr. does too!

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Yes it can and must be enforced if it is caught later on in the game.

Wrong....first of all, that was specifically mentioned in our state rules meeting by the official OHSAA rules interpreter.

Secondly:

10-3-2...wear an illegal jersey, illegal pants/skirt or illegal number.
PENALTY: (Art. 2) Each violation is penalized one time if discovered prior to ball becoming live for each esignated starter and each substitule who enters.

(italics are mine)

Clearly the uniform violation must be Teed at the start of the game for the starters and on initial entry into the game for each sub. Otherwise, no T. The rules state this and our rules interpreter clarified the same thing at our state rules meeting.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Wrong....first of all, that was specifically mentioned in our state rules meeting by the official OHSAA rules interpreter.

Secondly:

10-3-2...wear an illegal jersey, illegal pants/skirt or illegal number.
PENALTY: (Art. 2) Each violation is penalized one time if discovered prior to ball becoming live for each esignated starter and each substitule who enters.

(italics are mine)

Clearly the uniform violation must be Teed at the start of the game for the starters and on initial entry into the game for each sub. Otherwise, no T. The rules state this and our rules interpreter clarified the same thing at our state rules meeting.

That might be true in Ohio (or whatever "O" state you are in), but it's not the correct FED interp.

If it's missed the first time, it can be asssessed teh next time the player re-enters the game. Nevada laready posted the relevant case play.

[truerookie]

Wow!!

Kenwood Coach Frank Bland said the issue had been settled in the pregame meeting and with four free throws by the Lady Pats' Hayley Randolph in the first half..

This have been 10 free throws for each stater and a Technical for every sub there after who enters wearing the illegal jersey.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Seems that some of those here need to read the following:

Thanks, I knew I could count on you to save me some time getting my book out of the car. Looks to me pretty clear that if you don't catch it at the start, you hit them whenever they "enter" the game as a sub the next time.

Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

I would say restricted unless they enter the game.

[Ignats75]

Please explain to me then, why does the language in the federation rules include the words "if discovered prior to ball becoming live"? The Federation wouldn't just arbitrarily add those words unless they meant something. And yes, that is Ohio.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Please explain to me then, why does the language in the federation rules include the words "if discovered prior to ball becoming live"? The Federation wouldn't just arbitrarily add those words unless they meant something. And yes, that is Ohio.

Meaning, if a substitute enters the game with an illegal jersey, it can be penalized up until the ball becomes live (ie ball at disposal of player for a throwin). Once the ball becomes live, that player may play without being penalized, until he/she leaves and re-enters the game.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Now, let's add to this a bit. Let's say coach of said team knows the rule and doesn't sub the entire game once he realizes you're going to call it. Can you get them after halftime since they became bench players at the half. Or are you restricted because they didn't enter as substitutes?

Originally Posted by truerookie

I would say restricted unless they enter the game.

I agree with truerookie. If no changes are made to the players, then I don't believe that it would be reasonable to contend that they left the game and must reenter. The question that we must answer is, do they have to check-in with the scorer prior to the start of the new quarter? The NFHS has never clearly stated anything on that to my knowledge. If the answer is no, then they are already/still in the game. However, it is true that the NFHS clarified just last year that players remain players during all time-outs, but that all team members are bench personnel during intermissions between quarters (4-34-1,2). So there there is a gray area here.