Over and Back?

[phansen]

According to the new rule, the throw-in ends when the ball is legally touched. (The tip by B) However there is no description from the time the throw-in ends until the time the ball is possessed or controlled by a team.

On pg 73 of the rulebook #1 it says that while a ball remains live, a loose ball is always in control of a team whose player last had control. #2 states there is no player or team control on the throw-in.

If the ball is live, it must be in control of a team according to the fundamental rules stated. The new rule about the throw in ending on a legal touch may be good but it created a new problem about control and possession. I don't think #99 should be over and back, but according to the new rules it is

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by phansen

According to the new rule, the throw-in ends when the ball is legally touched. (The tip by B) However there is no description from the time the throw-in ends until the time the ball is possessed or controlled by a team.

Player and team control are established on a throw-in when a player is holding or dribbling the ball inbounds, as per NFHS rule 4-12-1. That description has been in the rule book forever.

An airborne player has the same status as when that player was last in contact with the floor. That's rule 4-35-3. Therefore an airborne player catching the ball after jumping from the front court has front court status. Catching the ball in mid-air then also establishes player and team control in the frontcourt. If the exception in rule 9-9-3 doesn't apply because the throw-in has ended, then it's a violation for that airborne player holding the ball to land in the backcourt, under rule 9-9-1.

Follow the bouncing ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by phansen

If the ball is live, it must be in control of a team according to the fundamental rules stated.

Which fundamental is this?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by phansen

According to the new rule, the throw-in ends when the ball is legally touched. (The tip by B) However there is no description from the time the throw-in ends until the time the ball is possessed or controlled by a team.

On pg 73 of the rulebook #1 it says that while a ball remains live, a loose ball is always in control of a team whose player last had control. #2 states there is no player or team control on the throw-in.

If the ball is live, it must be in control of a team according to the fundamental rules stated. The new rule about the throw in ending on a legal touch may be good but it created a new problem about control and possession. I don't think #99 should be over and back, but according to the new rules it is

Is the ball dead during a try, after it has left the hands of the shooter? Is it in control of any team?

I don't like NF rule (no control during throw-ins), but it is a rule: there are some more live ball periods when it is not in control of any team. What's the problem?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by phansen

#1 it says that while a ball remains live, a loose ball is always in control of a team whose player last had control...If the ball is live, it must be in control of a team according to the fundamental rules stated.

All that means is that team control doesn't end on an interrupted dribble/loose ball after team control has been established. There is no team control until there is player control.

I am glad you pointed it out, however, as this "Fundamental" is poorly written considering that "loose balls" after throw-ins, jump balls, and tries/taps still have no team control until some player establishes player control.