Over and Back

12dozen · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:41pm

A1 is in the front court. A1 passes the ball to A2 but while the ball is in the air it is tipped by B1. The tip does not change the direction of the ball and A2 catches the ball in back court. Over-and-Back?

Same scenario only the tip does change direction of the ball. Over-and-Back?

Dan_ref · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:48pm

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Originally posted by 12dozen
A1 is in the front court. A1 passes the ball to A2 but while the ball is in the air it is tipped by B1. The tip does not change the direction of the ball and A2 catches the ball in back court. Over-and-Back?

Same scenario only the tip does change direction of the ball. Over-and-Back?

How can a tip not change the direction of the ball?

Anyway, no in both cases since a member of A was not the last to touch before the ball went into the backcourt.

How about a twist...A2 jumps from the front court and passes the ball back to A1. Except...the pass is a bounce pass that bounces in the back court.

LarryS · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:49pm

Rules for backcourt violation (hopefully I'll get this right). Team A has control in the front court, Team A last to touch the ball in the front court and Team A first to touch the ball after it enters the back court.

I both cases, Team B gets in the way (depending on where B1 was when he/she tipped the ball). If B1 was in the front court, then Team A was not the last to touch the ball in the front court. If B1 was in the back court, then Team A was not the first to touch the ball after it entered the back court.

Therefore, no violation in either scenario.

LarryS · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:51pm

Dang...Dan_ref beat me.

Dan, in your twist wouldn't it be a violation? Team A had control, was the last to touch it in the front court and the first to touch it after the ball entered the backcourt.

MN 3 Sport Ref · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:53pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by 12dozen

How about a twist...A2 jumps from the front court and passes the ball back to A1. Except...the pass is a bounce pass that bounces in the back court.

This is similar to the long post we recently had... A has froncourt position is last to touch ball in FC (no B touching) ball touches in BC (floor/bounce pass) and then A is next to touch ball. Violation OOB throw in for B at second spot of A touching.

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 02:55pm

Why does it matter whether the ball changed direction or not?

12dozen · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 04:39pm

In my opinion it doesn't matter whether the ball changes direction. It is not over-and-back. First to touch, last to touch applies.

MN 3 Sport Ref · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 05:12pm

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Originally posted by 12dozen
In my opinion it doesn't matter whether the ball changes direction. It is not over-and-back. First to touch, last to touch applies.

I agree this totally applies. We do agree that DanREf's twist sitch is over and back though?!? (w/ no defensive touch...)

BktBallRef · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 15, 2003, 07:15pm

Yep.

FC status.
Team control by A.
A2 was last to touch before going in BC.
A1 was first to touch after the ball had been in the BC.