Unsportsmanlike?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, got your drift. Might work too if you got a couple of officials who don't know whatinthehell they are doing. Of course, if you do happen to get refs that know the rules, you'd be playing right into team A's plans with B1 picking up some stoopid fouls.

Good luck with that philosophy.

It only would take once ,and as B1 I would gladly take that foul. I guaranty A1 would back off after that - especially with gauze in his nose. Wouldn't even be intentional or flagrant - to the best refs.

I might even offer a hand to A1 to help him up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by MeRef

Why didn't B1 move, turn his back, spin off, etc? It takes two to tango. Honestly, If I were B1's coach I would alert the officials that we will try to draw a bocking call because A1 is not giving the proper time and distance. Second, if I were B1, and a defender was nose to nose with me, I would run him over or make my V-cut head first....or reach for a pass arms head high...

Get my drift? It sounds like B1 was a weenie.

Originally Posted by MeRef

It only would take once ,and as B1 I would gladly take that foul. I guaranty A1 would back off after that - especially with gauze in his nose. Wouldn't even be intentional or flagrant - to the best refs.

I might even offer a hand to A1 to help him up.

These are two of the most classless posts that I've ever read on the forum. To advocate that one player should intentionally injure another is totally disgusting.
If you really believe this garbage, then get away from HS sports.

Also all "the best refs" out there certainly would deem this a flagrant foul.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

These are two of the most classless posts that I've ever read on the forum. To advocate that one player should intentionally injure another is totally disgusting.
If you really believe this garbage, then get away from HS sports.

Also all "the best refs" out there certainly would deem this a flagrant foul.

Nevada, perhaps these were just badly worded, and he didn't mean anything quite so egregious as would be certainly deemed flagrant?? We might give him the benefit of the doubt until we know more...

[Nevadaref]

No doubt about it. He is clearly advocating headhunting and hurting the opponent.

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Originally Posted by MeRef
Second, if I were B1, and a defender was nose to nose with me, I would run him over or make my V-cut head first....or reach for a pass arms head high...

Get my drift?

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Originally Posted by MeRef
It only would take once ,and as B1 I would gladly take that foul. I guaranty A1 would back off after that - especially with gauze in his nose.

[rainmaker]

MeRef? Care to comment?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No doubt about it. He is clearly advocating headhunting and hurting the opponent.

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

MeRef? Care to comment?

Sure, I'll comment. First, I am not advocating anything. Did you see me say HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS OR THAT? Nope. Matter of fact, I said he should try to get or turn away.

My subsequent comments were from the perspective of a former Division 1-AA college player, who routinely dealt with this sort of juvenile intimidation tactics. I actually said [Second, if I were B1,]. Maybe I should have put that in a clearer perspective. Even then, if NevadeRef thinks that players don't "run opponents over" then he needs to watch a game or two - like maybe what happened to Steve Nash. Certainly that was the reverse situation and flagrant in my book, but you get the point.

I was making the point that if you want to get in my grill, there are physical hazards to doing so. I am not going to give you a wide berth and give up my rightful place on the court. And, no, the best refs out there won't catch half of it or if they do, the college players are smart enough to make it look like an accident.

Certainly you see my last comment about helping him up was in humor.

Again, not advocating anything. You will also note I said FIRST that the coach should alert the refs to a blocking situation.

It reminds me of a situation with my older relatives when I was a teenager. We would play driveway ball against the 30-somethings. The first time we (my brother and I) challenged my older cousins, I drove to the hoop to stuff on him and he bodied me so hard - no arm contact at all - that it knocked me into the grass. I jumped up and yelled "Hey, that was a foul!!!" He replied, Yep, I guess you're right, your ball over there." I never drove on him again.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by MeRef

Even then, if NevadeRef thinks that players don't "run opponents over" then he needs to watch a game or two - like maybe what happened to Steve Nash.

I eon't think Nevada said it didn't happen. I think he said it's illegal. NBA plays aren't generally relevant to discussions here. This particular thread, eg, is regarding HS rules.

Originally Posted by MeRef

I was making the point that if you want to get in my grill, there are physical hazards to doing so. I am not going to give you a wide berth and give up my rightful place on the court.

Gotta admit, that does sound more like a threat than I was hoping. No player should be contemplating physical violence

Originally Posted by MeRef

... if I were B1, and a defender was nose to nose with me, I would run him over or make my V-cut head first..

If you mean that literally, yea, the best refs better catch that! It's illegal and stupid.
If refs miss that kind of thing, they'll be back to JH in a flash.

Originally Posted by MeRef

And, no, the best refs out there won't catch half of it or if they do, the college players are smart enough to make it look like an accident.

The best refs out there do catch way more than half of it, or they don't keep their positions. The ref's job is to stop this kind of crap.

Originally Posted by MeRef

Again, not advocating anything. You will also note I said FIRST that the coach should alert the refs to a blocking situation.

Coach should notify refs? No, refs should see the plays, and call the illegal blocks. Coaches should coach their players how to legally increase their opportunities to score and their skills in doing so.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by MeRef

My subsequent comments were from the perspective of a former Division 1-AA college player, who routinely dealt with this sort of juvenile intimidation tactics. I actually said [Second, if I were B1,]. Maybe I should have put that in a clearer perspective. Even then, if NevadeRef thinks that players don't "run opponents over" then he needs to watch a game or two - like maybe what happened to Steve Nash. Certainly that was the reverse situation and flagrant in my book, but you get the point.

I was making the point that if you want to get in my grill, there are physical hazards to doing so. I am not going to give you a wide berth and give up my rightful place on the court. And, no, the best refs out there won't catch half of it or if they do, the college players are smart enough to make it look like an accident.

Physical hazards for playing legal defense? Physical hazards?

You answered my question. You're not an official. You may masquerade as one occasionally but you're not an official.

Just another rec league warrior. Seen a million of 'em.....

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by MeRef

I am not going to give you a wide berth and give up my rightful place on the court.

Hate to break it to you, but the defender has every right to that place on the court, not you (the offensive player).


4-23-1 . . . Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent. There is no minimum distance required between the guard and opponent, but the maximum is 6 feet when closely guarded. Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.


What you espouse is thuggery and has no place in HS athletics.

PS Starting to wonder: MeRef = Old School ?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by MeRef

My subsequent comments were from the perspective of a former Division 1-AA college player, who routinely dealt with this sort of juvenile intimidation tactics.

MeRef:

There are not now, nor have there ever been any NCAA Div. I-AA basketball teams. There are only Div. 1 basketball teams.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

These are two of the most classless posts that I've ever read on the forum. To advocate that one player should intentionally injure another is totally disgusting.

Amen.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by MeRef

It only would take once ,and as B1 I would gladly take that foul. I guaranty A1 would back off after that - especially with gauze in his nose. Wouldn't even be intentional or flagrant - to the best refs.

I might even offer a hand to A1 to help him up.

Please tell me that you're not really an official.

Please.