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[mick]

Originally Posted by fullor30

The beauty of these discussions are I just got smarter the next time it happens.

Ha! Good one.

I didn't read all the posts in their entirety, but did anyone mention that the lead is rarely on the weak side ?

"I'm lead strong side and ball gets reversed and an immediate five count is started in front of C.

He goes with count and moves back into trail territory following players. I remain weak side as there is possible post play and only two players(dribbler and defender) on ball side. "

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mick

Ha! Good one.

I didn't read all the posts in their entirety, but did anyone mention that the lead is rarely on the weak side ?

"I'm lead strong side and ball gets reversed and an immediate five count is started in front of C.

He goes with count and moves back into trail territory following players. I remain weak side as there is possible post play and only two players(dribbler and defender) on ball side. "

I'm with you mick. It's a weak move to stay on the weak side at Lead. Instead of being late on getting over there when a post player dives to the ball side block, like any good post would, you can beat the play over there. But like I said earlier this is one weird situation apparently.

There was no chance in hell of any "possible post play" on the opposite block. I have never seen an entry pass to the post from the totally opposite wing into the opposite side post.

P.S. Fullor I'm glad you came somewhere, anywhere to ask questions. That shows that you want to learn and thats great. I don't know if you have been to any camps, but you should go to some high level ones with big time referees as your instructors. Maybe they can convince you that this is not the correct thought process to have on this type of play. I can almost guarantee you that all the "big time referees" who don't have dead legs are going to get over there on this play or at least the ones I know. What is it or how is it going to hurt you or your crew to get over there? I am really asking this question of you. I am now wanting to get inside yours and JRut's head, who I am suprised has this train of thought on this play. All I can think of is the negatives that come out of you NOT rotating. What are the positives of you not rotating?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

There was no chance in hell of any "possible post play" on the opposite block. I have never seen an entry pass to the post from the totally opposite wing into the opposite side post.

I disagree with that statement. Because I see teams that are one-sided (right handed or left handed) and they move the ball only to bring the ball back to the same side because that is where their big men like to go to the basket. And at the HS level it is very common because players are not as skilled to use both hands equally.

Originally Posted by btaylor64

P.S. Fullor I'm glad you came somewhere, anywhere to ask questions. That shows that you want to learn and thats great. I don't know if you have been to any camps, but you should go to some high level ones with big time referees as your instructors. Maybe they can convince you that this is not the correct thought process to have on this type of play. I can almost guarantee you that all the "big time referees" who don't have dead legs are going to get over there on this play or at least the ones I know. What is it or how is it going to hurt you or your crew to get over there? I am really asking this question of you. I am now wanting to get inside yours and JRut's head, who I am suprised has this train of thought on this play. All I can think of is the negatives that come out of you NOT rotating. What are the positives of you not rotating?

I also had to respond to this, because it would depend on what you call a "big time referee." I attend a camp almost every year in my area that is run by an official that has been to multiple Final Fours and was worked the Final Four just this past year. I can tell you he teaches things very differently than a camp run by the most powerful Women's Supervisor in the country just a few miles away. If you attend her camp that is also run in the same general Chicago area, you will have to use a completely different set of mechanics. I also attended Dale Kelly's Camp who has multiple NCAA Tournament officials working as clinicians and they do not teach to rotate like you have suggested. As a matter of fact I was given about a 30 minute lecture (as well as my two partners who work D1 at the time of this game) about rotations. The person that did is a new supervisor in a D1 conference in the south and was also a Final Four Official during his career. He specifically told me (and my partners) not to rotate just because the ball goes to one side and all the players are on the other. He even told me to rotate away from the ball if all the players are on the other side court and you know based on tendencies the team likes to go to that side of the floor. So it really depends on what you call "big time" because that changes based on whose camp you go to.

Peace