2 FTs and the ball?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm not finding these references.

Look at 4-19-4 it defines flagrant personal and flagrant technical fouls

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Coach, timer, player. Which is going to be real interesting this year, because you're going to get the warning horn almost as soon as you turn around to tell the player he's disqualified.

Good point, I was asking Indianaref due to his reference in his reply. I think he stated coach, player. He did not mention timer.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Look at 4-19-4 it defines flagrant personal and flagrant technical fouls

RIght. But I was looking for JR's references for where the throw-in is, and I'm not finding the citations he gave.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I'm not finding these references.

Page 51.

Rule 7-5-4(b)--"Designated out-of bounds spot nearest the foul..(b)After.....a flagrant personal foul, as in 4-19-4...."

Rule 705-6(a)--"Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in at the division line opposite the scorer's and timer's table..(a) After a technical foul, as in 4-19-5...."

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Good point, I was asking Indianaref due to his reference in his reply. I think he stated coach, player. He did not mention timer.

Case book play 2.8.4

Originally Posted by rainmaker

RIght. But I was looking for JR's references for where the throw-in is, and I'm not finding the citations he gave.

Aren't Ts (flagrant or other) division line opposite table & flagrant personals are POI??

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Page 51.

Rule 7-5-4(b)--"Designated out-of bounds spot nearest the foul..(b)After.....a flagrant personal foul, as in 4-19-4...."

Rule 705-6(a)--"Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in at the division line opposite the scorer's and timer's table..(a) After a technical foul, as in 4-19-5...."

'o7-'08 books? Okay, well, there's another unannounced change. THis section has been completely restructured, apparently. All I've got is the old books, and this wording is in 7-5-8 and 7-5-10.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Aren't Ts (flagrant or other) division line opposite table & personal flagrants are POI??

flagrant personals not POI.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Yeah that's the ticket... ball awarded nearest the foul.
POI is for intentionals right?

POI is only for doubles (FED rules).
Intentional is just like a flagrant personal, but without the disqualification.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

POI is only for doubles (FED rules).
Intentional is just like a flagrant personal, but without the disqualification.

Boy is wording ever so important! That's what I meant, designated out-of bounds spot nearest the foul

POI is for doubles (as you stated)... my bad.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Boy is wording ever so important! That's what I meant, designated out-of bounds spot nearest the foul

POI is for doubles (as you stated)... my bad.

Just don't blame your keyboard.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

'o7-'08 books? Okay, well, there's another unannounced change. THis section has been completely restructured, apparently. All I've got is the old books, and this wording is in 7-5-8 and 7-5-10.

Unannounced? Sure, if you don't count the "7-5-2 thru (sic) 7: Articles reworded for better understanding and application" phrase in the rule book, and the similar phrase in the anouncement on the NFHS web-site.

Or, maybe you meant that the 2007-08 rules changes weren't announced in the 2006-07 books.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
'o7-'08 books? Okay, well, there's another unannounced change. THis section has been completely restructured, apparently. All I've got is the old books, and this wording is in 7-5-8 and 7-5-10.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unannounced? Sure, if you don't count the "7-5-2 thru (sic) 7: Articles reworded for better understanding and application" phrase in the rule book, and the similar phrase in the anouncement on the NFHS web-site.

Or, maybe you meant that the 2007-08 rules changes weren't announced in the 2006-07 books.

Wow, she goofed twice in one thread. That's very unlike Juulie. Perhaps she needs some of Padgett's meds.

[jer166]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

A1 is on a breakaway and B1 chases her down, A1 jumps for the layup and B1 jumps at the same time on A1's left side, swiping down at the ball...shooter gets the shot off but there is excessive body contact that causes them to both crash to the floor...it was a hard foul, I will admit that....

Partner was lead and I saw him cross his arms after whistling...He was first year official and I was asleep at the wheel not talking with him....I'm thinking he called flagrant rather than intentional because B1 did make an attempt at the ball IMO rather than just grab her.....to compound my situation...I did not ask him (that was my mistake, not clarifying what he had). I should not have assumed what I would have whistled is what he had...

I administered the FT with lane cleared then the ball was given to team B for endline inbounds as if it was just normal FTs....no ejections.

So I'm trying to clarify my own doubts on how I handled it and I don't have my rule/casebook with me at work...I think the part I kicked was not giving the ball back to Team A for inbounds under the basket, closest to the spot of the foul?

The ball should be given to the offended team (A) for a designated spot throw-in at the spot OOB nearest the foul.

[jer166]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

POI is only for doubles (FED rules).
Intentional is just like a flagrant personal, but without the disqualification.

Except where the ball is put in play If a T is involved.