running out of bounds, screen

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by truerookie

In Fed's it is not legal for you to leave the court unauthorizedly.. I think:NCAA you can as long as you are not the first to touch the ball once you return to the court.

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

Legal.

9-4.1: A player who steps out of bounds under his/her own volition and then
becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court
has committed a violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Around a screen???? I certainly hope you're wrong.

Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?

[Nevadaref]

Because he's also correct about the NCAA rule as posted by Dexter.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Case book play 9.3.3SitB says that he's right for FED.Were you referring to NCAA rules?

I knew that what he said about the Fed was correct. I'm surprised it's legal to step oob around a screen in NCAA. Or am I mis interpreting?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I knew that what he said about the Fed was correct. I'm surprised it's legal to step oob around a screen in NCAA. Or am I mis interpreting?

The step itself is legal. What's illegal is to be the first (they mean "next") person to touch the ball after returning inbounds.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The step itself is legal. What's illegal is to be the first (they mean "next") person to touch the ball after returning inbounds.

Interesting. So why don't we see this more often? Use a quick give, step out to get rid of the defense, and then go! Seems like a great play if legal?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Interesting. So why don't we see this more often? Use a quick give, step out to get rid of the defense, and then go! Seems like a great play if legal?

errrr....why is it a good play to have 20% of your team OOB? Did you miss the part of the rule that says this player cannnot be the first to touch when he comes back in?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

errrr....why is it a good play to have 20% of your team OOB? Did you miss the part of the rule that says this player cannnot be the first to touch when he comes back in?

Hey, I'll ask the questions here!

Maybe I'm not understanding what's legal and what's illegal. Let me try a caseplay, maybe that'll clarify what I mean. Which will help clarify the rule.

A1 dribbling up the sideline in backcourt (I know, stupid, but we're not talking D1 here!) B1 has good tight defensive position alongside. B2 and B3 set a screen directly infront of A1 just beyond the division line. A1 sees the play set up, passes to A2 who is just crossing the division line between the tops of the keys. Now A1 steps oob around the screen, and behind the screen (FC) steps back inbounds. A2 still has the ball. Now A1 is back inbounds, and A2 has the ball. If A2 passed to A1, would A1 be the first to touch after coming back in? A2 still had "possession" when A1 established herself inbounds, so wouldn't A2 be the "first to touch"? If you practiced this, and pulled it off, seems to me you'd be gumming up three defenders at midcourt and clearing A1 for a pretty good cut to the basket.

But perhaps there's something I don't understand.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I knew that what he said about the Fed was correct. I'm surprised it's legal to step oob around a screen in NCAA. Or am I mis interpreting?

NCAA
9-4-1: A player who steps OOB under his/her own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has comitted a violation.

10-3-9: Deceptively leaving the playing court for an unauthorized reason and returning at a more advantageous position is a Technical foul.