Tech on Coach situation

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Brad

This explains everything.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

btw...if I was Francine whats-her-name I would not be happy with anyone putting my phone number & email address on a public forum...just saying but I hope she has a good sense of humor (and good spamware).

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

btw...if I was Francine whats-her-name I would not be happy with anyone putting my phone number & email address on a public forum...just saying but I hope she has a good sense of humor (and good spamware).

Uhh, don't think because you hurt the team. JK! The KSHSAA numbers are all on the web along with her number. http://www.kshsaa.org/staff.html.

Being a former coach and now a ref gives special insights to the officiating game those that have not coached usually don't have. Those insights, for example, allow such refs to recognize and anticipate plays as they are developing and allows them to be ready for potential action and not be surprised. It also, in general, gives a certain rapport with other coaches that is unique.

It's not unusual that those having never been down a certain path tend to dismiss it. I think that comes from an inner feeling of inadequacy.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Uhh, don't think because you hurt the team. JK! The KSHSAA numbers are all on the web along with her number. http://www.kshsaa.org/staff.html.

Being a former coach and now a ref gives special insights to the officiating game those that have not coached usually don't have. Those insights, for example, allow such refs to recognize and anticipate plays as they are developing and allows them to be ready for potential action and not be surprised. It also, in general, gives a certain rapport with other coaches that is unique.

It's not unusual that those having never been down a certain path tend to dismiss it. I think that comes from an inner feeling of inadequacy.

Good God, now I understand. Here's a coach who thinks being a coach automatically makes him a better official. He probably also thinks that his poop doesn't smell, either.

I work in a school/league-assigns-the-official system and I call the games just the same as if I had an independent assignor. Hasn't hurt my 40+ game schedule year after year.

Just read this thread tonight, but why would anyone want the responsibility of determining whether a coach is actively coaching? As long as he's in our 14-foot-box not b!tching at me or not getting in my way when I'm the center I'm a happy man.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Good God, now I understand. Here's a coach who thinks being a coach automatically makes him a better official. He probably also thinks that his poop doesn't smell, either.

I work in a school/league-assigns-the-official system and I call the games just the same as if I had an independent assignor. Hasn't hurt my 40+ game schedule year after year.

Just read this thread tonight, but why would anyone want the responsibility of determining whether a coach is actively coaching? As long as he's in our 14-foot-box not b!tching at me or not getting in my way when I'm the center I'm a happy man.

Well, here's a Johnny come lately to the thread....

Where did I say it AUTOMATICALLY makes us better officials? Are you a little intimidated that someone can be a good coach AND a good ref? You tell me, if you had equally good refs in ALL respects, but one had the additional insight of being a varsity coach, which one would you want as a partner or to ref your game?

Where did I say I wanted the responsibility of determining.... If you read the thread, you would know this is not the case.

Great for you and your 40 game schedule. Talk to me when you log over 300 per year.

Oh and by the way, grow up.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Oh and by the way, grow up.

KSRef - it is these kind of comments that are not exactly endearing you to other officials and to the LONG-TIME members of this board.

I'd suggest being less sarcastic and snarky in your posts if you expect to get along here.

I've seen some great former-coach refs and some poor ones. I've seen some great former-player refs and some poor ones. Just because you have experienced the game from another perspective doesn't make you a great official.

One question: Is this your first year officiating?

Originally Posted by Brad

KSRef - it is these kind of comments that are not exactly endearing you to other officials and to the LONG-TIME members of this board.

I'd suggest being less sarcastic and snarky in your posts if you expect to get along here.

I've seen some great former-coach refs and some poor ones. I've seen some great former-player refs and some poor ones. Just because you have experienced the game from another perspective doesn't make you a great official.

One question: Is this your first year officiating?

Before you castigate me and delete my posts, look at the originator that caused the reaction. I have not responded to ANY post with my FIRST post being "snarky". Only when someone used vulgar langauge at me, called me stupid, etc.

15th year thank you. And how long have you been officiating?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Before you castigate me and delete my posts, look at the originator that caused the reaction. I have not responded to ANY post with my FIRST post being "snarky". Only when someone used vulgar langauge at me, called me stupid, etc.

15th year thank you. And how long have you been officiating?

I didn't ask how long you have been officiating as a measuring stick -- I asked because you come across on this board as a brand new official who has just heard some information for the first time and was repeating it here. So, I was just curious.

Let me just tell you from my standpoint that I really don't care who started what... If I think a post is inappropriate and goes against the guidelines of the forum I will delete it. Usually I don't do this because I don't have a lot of time to police the forum (the moderators do a great job of this though!) -- but sometime, if I feel the need, I will take care of things myself.

I gave you some advice in a previous post... You are new here -- registered less than two weeks. You might want to settle in a little bit for a while as you seem to have rubbed a lot of long time members the wrong way.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Great for you and your 40 game schedule. Talk to me when you log over 300 per year.

You're saying you call 300+ games a year? Or you're saying this is how you supplement your income from your regular job as a logger?

Originally Posted by just another ref

You're saying you call 300+ games a year? Or you're saying this is how you supplement your income from your regular job as a logger?

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS, 20% subvarsity, the rest HS AAU, USSSA, etc.

Uhh, I just joined this DB about a week or so ago. Just got caught up with some closed minded individuals on this thread. I am retired since the age of 38. Still own/run 4 companies, but really a silent board member.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS....

So you call 180 varsity games a year. How long is the season in Kansas?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Yes, I call over 300 games per year, 60% varsity HS, 20% subvarsity, the rest HS AAU, USSSA, etc.

Uhh, I just joined this DB about a week or so ago. Just got caught up with some closed minded individuals on this thread. I am retired since the age of 38. Still own/run 4 companies, but really a silent board member.

180 Varsity high school games a year?

Check.



Retired. Own/run 4 companies. Previous coach.

Check, check, check.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Well, here's a Johnny come lately to the thread....

Where did I say it AUTOMATICALLY makes us better officials? Are you a little intimidated that someone can be a good coach AND a good ref? You tell me, if you had equally good refs in ALL respects, but one had the additional insight of being a varsity coach, which one would you want as a partner or to ref your game?

Where did I say I wanted the responsibility of determining.... If you read the thread, you would know this is not the case.

Great for you and your 40 game schedule. Talk to me when you log over 300 per year.

Oh and by the way, grow up.

Who wants 300 games? My God, I *hate* off-season basketball.

I work from late-November to early-March and then it's time for college and high school baseball. I haven't worked a single basketball game since March, which is why I missed this thread. Football season just ended for me Tuesday night.

You are the Johnny-come-lately here, not me, BTW. See the upper right? Over 7 years and 4100 posts. I'm just late arriving to a thread.

I couldn't possibly care if someone is or was a coach. Coaching is the coach's job. I'm an official. I want my partner to think like an official 100% of the time.

Too many coach-become-official types are the ones that won't whack a coach because "he understands the pressures" or won't make a call on the last possession because "he wants to let the players decide the game." Or he'll show up and be friends with everyone from the athletic director to the coaches. Who needs someone with that kind of baggage?

[rainmaker]

Look, the guy's on Time Out. Can we please get back to the topic of officiating basketball? Thank you

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Look, the guy's on Time Out. Can we please get back to the topic of officiating basketball? Thank you

If you don't want to read it, don't open the thread. It's really that simple.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Look, the guy's on Time Out. Can we please get back to the topic of officiating basketball? Thank you

You know what's in this thread, Juulie. What you see is what you get. Besides, my season is almost a month away.