Tech on Coach situation

Originally Posted by rockyroad

IGNORING something is NOT judgement. Pretending to NOT SEE that pre-game dunk is NOT judgement.

So, if I understand you correctly, if you see the head coach 6 inches outside his coaching box and you don't call a T, that would be what?

A) judgement
B) ignoring a rule
C) all of the above
D) none of the above

[Splute]

Blatant disregard of a rule by the player (dunking) and caught up in the moment of coaching (out of box 6"), play out differently in my mind.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Splute

Blatant disregard of a rule by the player (dunking) and caught up in the moment of coaching (out of box 6"), play out differently in my mind.

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season?

[Splute]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season?

Well said.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't.

I do. And I do because that's exactly what he's told us he's going to do.

What part of "NEVER" don't you understand, Scrappy? There is NO benefit of the doubt involved with "NEVER". It's as definitive as you could possibly get. He's already stated that he's NEVER going to call a dunk. Whether it's rim-shaking or not simply isn't relevant.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There is NO benefit of the doubt involved with "NEVER". It's as definitive as you could possibly get.

Oh yeah? What about "never, ever"? You're just not using enough significant digits.

And just in the interest of full disclosure, are you saying you've never used hyperbole to make a point? No, "never, ever", I'm sure.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Oh yeah? What about "never, ever"? You're just not using enough significant digits.

And just in the interest of full disclosure, are you saying you've never used hyperbole to make a point? No, "never, ever", I'm sure.

Hyperbole is my middle name. If you ever deleted all of my posts containing "hyperbole", I'd probably have about 12 to date.

Hyperbole is my life.

Well, that and Twinkies.......

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hyperbole is my middle name. If you ever deleted all of my posts containing "hyperbole", I'd probably have about 12 to date.

Hyperbole is my life.

Well, that and Twinkies.......

Apologies to my friend Dave who lived in a cave...

There once was a man named Bill Knerberly
Who oft stretched the truth speaking verbally
He couldn't admit
He often flung sh1t
But when pressed he just called it hyperbole

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket?

I would hope not. Also, I'd like to see him ignore a pre-game dunk that rips the backboard off the post. That would be cool.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season?

Scrapper, you know me and you know that what you wrote is exactly the way I would handle those situations...but where in your post do you say anything about IGNORING that "little" dunk or "NOT SEEING" it??? You (and I) would address those things and take care of them - whether it's the coach 6" out of the box or the "little" dunk - we do NOT ignore them - the way we address them is judgement. Ignoring them is not. And as my buddy Forrest would say, "That's all I have to say about that."

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season?

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Splute

Blatant disregard of a rule by the player (dunking) and caught up in the moment of coaching (out of box 6"), play out differently in my mind.

Oh, I see. I'll look up "blatant" in the rules book.

The fellow asked if I ignore fouls. I said yes - good judgement requires that sometimes. He stated ignoring fouls does not relate to judgement. A blanket statement. I simply posed a scenario in which ignoring DOES equal judgement.

The reality is, a stupid dunk before a game gives no team an advantage - the rule is there to protect the equipment. It is minor. You address it by telling them not to dunk. The same goes with being 6 inches outside the box. Ok, what if he's 2 feet outside the box - is that "blatant disregard"? No.

Judgement.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Oh, I see. I'll look up "blatant" in the rules book.

The fellow asked if I ignore fouls. I said yes - good judgement requires that sometimes. He stated ignoring fouls does not relate to judgement. A blanket statement. I simply posed a scenario in which ignoring DOES equal judgement.

The reality is, a stupid dunk before a game gives no team an advantage - the rule is there to protect the equipment. It is minor. You address it by telling them not to dunk. The same goes with being 6 inches outside the box. Ok, what if he's 2 feet outside the box - is that "blatant disregard"? No.

Judgement.

I will say this again - ignoring any of those situations is NOT judgement. How you choose to deal with them is where the judgement comes in...telling a coach "Hey, I really need you to stay in your box for me" is dealing with it and using judgement - ignoring the coach is not...walking over to the coach during pre-game and telling him "Coach, #45 is going to get you a T if he dunks again" is dealing with it and showing judgement - ignoring it is not.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I will say this again - ignoring any of those situations is NOT judgement. How you choose to deal with them is where the judgement comes in...telling a coach "Hey, I really need you to stay in your box for me" is dealing with it and using judgement - ignoring the coach is not...walking over to the coach during pre-game and telling him "Coach, #45 is going to get you a T if he dunks again" is dealing with it and showing judgement - ignoring it is not.

Symantics.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I will say this again - ignoring any of those situations is NOT judgement. How you choose to deal with them is where the judgement comes in...telling a coach "Hey, I really need you to stay in your box for me" is dealing with it and using judgement - ignoring the coach is not...walking over to the coach during pre-game and telling him "Coach, #45 is going to get you a T if he dunks again" is dealing with it and showing judgement - ignoring it is not.

I told you I "hear" it and address it. Even though I addressed it I have "set aside" the rule, which is a T. This equals IGNORING THE RULE and equals using judgement. They are not mutually exclusive attributes. duh.