Tech on Coach situation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

The only person who can stand is the head coach. And he/she can only stand to "instruct players", then must sit. While most are lenient on this rule, if the head coach starts chirping I warn him that he can only stand to instruct players then must sit. If it becomes a problem, T him/her up. All coaching box privileges lost.

Where may I find this in the rule book?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Where may I find this in the rule book?

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching (and it's dangerous for the refs). Yelling at me is not coaching.

case 10.5.1.E: last sentence. "...if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching box privileges."

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

Again, there is some leniency, but if the rule was intended that the head coach could remain standing the entire game, the rule would state, "While in the confines of the coaching box, the head coach may remain standing during all live ball situations." It doesn't. It states "for the purpose of coaching".

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching (and it's dangerous for the refs). Yelling at me is not coaching.

case 10.5.1.E: last sentence. "...if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching box privileges."

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

Again, there is some leniency, but if the rule was intended that the head coach could remain standing the entire game, the rule would state, "While in the confines of the coaching box, the head coach may remain standing during all live ball situations." It doesn't. It states "for the purpose of coaching".

Are you serious? You'd actually "T"up a coach for just standing in his box, watching play and not saying a thing?

Lah me......you're making up your own rules.....again.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious? You'd actually "T"up a coach for just standing in his box, watching play and not saying a thing?

Lah me......you're making up your own rules.....again.

Good luck with that.

No I would not. Read that I said we are very lenient. Don't be selective in your reading. I just told you what the "letter of the law was", as you asked.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

No I would not. Read that I said we are very lenient. Don't be selective in your reading. I just told you what the "letter of the law was", as you asked.

And I'm telling you that according to the rules, you are wrong. There is nothing in the NFHS rule book that states that a coach can't stand in his box and quietly watch the play. There never has been anything in the NFHS rules that say that a coach can't stand in the box and quietly watch the play. If you have special rules coverage for your state, hey, that's fine. But that sureasheck doesn't mean your state's interpretation of coaching box decorum is any good any other place. It isn't.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And I'm telling you that according to the rules, you are wrong. There is nothing in the NFHS rule book that states that a coach can't stand in his box and quietly watch the play. There never has been anything in the NFHS rules that say that a coach can't stand in the box and quietly watch the play. If you have special rules coverage for your state, hey, that's fine. But that sureasheck doesn't mean your state's interpretation of coaching box decorum is any good any other place. It isn't.

Hey, if you feel that "coaching his team" is him sitting in the box in a yoga position humming a mantra, then good for you.

Bottom line, I let him stand as long as he wants - until I get a visible display (inciting the crowd type). Then I inform him how my state association interprets the NFHS rule.

I also will MAKE them stand if they are kneeling as I do not want to end my season or his with a knee to his head.

"It isn't" applies to your state's interp as well. Unless you can show me definitively where I am wrong about this, (case, etc.), then you would be wise to open up to the possibility......

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Furthermore, The Kansas State HS Activities Association announcements publication states "The head coach may: 1) Stand to instruct (coach) then, 2) sit down, 3) not kneel, squat, pace, or stand during a live ball."

You guys in Kansas have it too easy...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

10.5.1: "...for the purpose of coaching his team." Standing silent is not coaching. Kneeling and watching the play is not coaching

What if the coach is silently watching how the other team's defense reacts to screens, in order to figure which play to call next trip down the floor? What if he quietly watching which sub comes in, so he can figure how to set up his defense?

Are you saying that, by virtue of being silent, a coach is not coaching?

How does a coach, kneeling in his box, pose a threat to an official?

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

What if the coach is silently watching how the other team's defense reacts to screens, in order to figure which play to call next trip down the floor? What if he quietly watching which sub comes in, so he can figure how to set up his defense?

Are you saying that, by virtue of being silent, a coach is not coaching?

How does a coach, kneeling in his box, pose a threat to an official?

Again, leniency. I am only saying - use it as a tool to control a coach. However, he is not "coaching his PLAYERS" by silently watching and misses the intent of the rule. "Coaching is the process of inspiring, encouraging, motivating, and instructing." It is active. I ref deaf schools and they coach silently - not the same thing as standing with arms folded.

Next time you run a 3-man and you are the Center running up the sideline near OOB where you should be, with a coach kneeling at the sideline, you'll figure it out.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Again, leniency. I am only saying - use it as a tool to control a coach. However, he is not "coaching his PLAYERS" by silently watching and misses the intent of the rule. "Coaching is the process of inspiring, encouraging, motivating, and instructing." It is active.

So, figuring out which play to call, which defense to use, which player to counter the other team's sub - this is not considered coaching? Where do I find your definition of coaching? Where do I find your interpretation of the intent of the coache's box?

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Next time you run a 3-man and you are the Center running up the sideline near OOB where you should be, with a coach kneeling at the sideline, you'll figure it out.

What I'll figure out is I need to watch where I'm going. It is exactly the same as the sub kneeling in front of the table waiting to come into the game. The coach has every right to be in the box, kneeling, standing, or humming show tunes, and it's my job to make sure I know where I'm going. If I step on a player's foot while they're sitting on the bench, should I T them up? Should I move them to the locker room because they got in my way?

[26 Year Gap]

Is it a coincidence that KSref joined this month and Old School has been gone for about a month?

[BillyMac]

From KCRef07: "Under NO circumstances can an assistant coach stand."

May an assistant coach, during a live ball, while the clock is running, stand to approach the scorer's table to inquire about the number of fouls on a player, or the number a time outs remaining? I don't believe that a head coach is allowed to do this?

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Is it a coincidence that KSref joined this month and Old School has been gone for about a month?

I am brand new here.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Is it a coincidence that KSref joined this month and Old School has been gone for about a month?

I think it is just coincidence. KSref actually typed out a rule, so he can't be OS.

[Snake~eyes]

So according to your statement, if a coach never says anything, he is not a coach because he does not commit the act of coaching.


anyways... deifnition

1 : to train intensively (as by instruction and demonstration)
2 : to act as coach of