Nasty coach

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mick

I noticed that.
I prefer to **warn** , then *whack*.

Maybe, but once the clipboard's thrown, it's too late.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe, but once the clipboard's thrown, it's too late.

Had to see it. How far did it go?. Did it hit a player? Was it due to an official call? Was it a knee-jerk reaction to a player?

Judge it. Your call and your game. I'll back you.
Few actions, for me, are as automatic to me as your thrown clipboard.

[Adam]

If (and that's a big if, she's friends with the AD, I have no problem talking to her as a friend about it. Sort of an "I have noticed" conversation. However, if you're not more than casual acquaintances, I'd let it go and only deal with it as a ref within the confines of the individual games.

Hit him for the clipboard, perhaps. If he swears, ring him up. Chances are, if you do it once, he'll be a bit more careful; especially if he doesn't have any assistants to step up in his absence.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by eyezen

He was old school

AHA! Mystery solved!

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

AHA! Mystery solved!

I shouldn't even recognized this post by replying, so with due respect but sorry you're mistaken.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by eyezen

You do not know the whole story. All you know is what you see in a 3 foot by 14 foot box for 32 minutes.

Now I realize this is somewhat different as you story is about JRHigh girls, but trust me things won't get to the point where the snowflakes are going to melt, the helos will make sure of that.

You don't know the whole story either. You don't know that things won't get to the point where the snowflakes are going to melt.

Rita said she knew the AD. In my opinion, she should express her concern to the AD, as should the parents and fans who observe this unacceptable behavior. For all Rita knows, a couple of parents have complained and one more opinion will make the difference between the AD waiting and the AD dealing with it. If the AD knows about the sitch already, and is choosing to let it continue, Rita's opinion won't make much difference.

Also, there is a huge difference between Jr. Hi girls and varsity boys. Huge difference. I disagree with every yelling and belittling anyone as a motivational tool. I just think it's wrong. But in our society it's mostly acceptable for varsity boys. But I"m sorry, middle age girls are different.

Furthermore, Rita knows these girls, and has worked with them. SHe knows that what this coach is doing isn't going to accomplish what he wants. For that reason alone, she should talk to the AD.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

You don't know the whole story either. You don't know that things won't get to the point where the snowflakes are going to melt.

Rita said she knew the AD. In my opinion, she should express her concern to the AD, as should the parents and fans who observe this unacceptable behavior. For all Rita knows, a couple of parents have complained and one more opinion will make the difference between the AD waiting and the AD dealing with it. If the AD knows about the sitch already, and is choosing to let it continue, Rita's opinion won't make much difference.

Also, there is a huge difference between Jr. Hi girls and varsity boys. Huge difference. I disagree with every yelling and belittling anyone as a motivational tool. I just think it's wrong. But in our society it's mostly acceptable for varsity boys. But I"m sorry, middle age girls are different.

Furthermore, Rita knows these girls, and has worked with them. SHe knows that what this coach is doing isn't going to accomplish what he wants. For that reason alone, she should talk to the AD.

I do know that it won't get to that point, how? the REFVA's (see post #12 first sentence) of the world will make sure, of which they are entitled, not you as an official.

Look you're right I don't know and I already conceded the fact that this is MS girls and not boys, but again does she? Does she go to practices? Know all the other aspects of the coach/player relationship?

If she knows these girls and the situation so well as to get involved emotionally, then why is she working their games? This is exactly why we shouldn't, she's not objective.

The OP obviously started this thread seeking comment. The consensus of the posts of this thread (not just mine) say leave it alone. Her (and your) emotional closeness is clouding her (and your) objectivity.

[RookieDude]

Men are from Mars...Women are from Venus.

When we officiate...we all should be from the planet Neptune. (Its neutral)

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by eyezen

I do know that it won't get to that point, how? the REFVA's (see post #12 first sentence) of the world will make sure, of which they are entitled, not you as an official.

Look you're right I don't know and I already conceded the fact that this is MS girls and not boys, but again does she? Does she go to practices? Know all the other aspects of the coach/player relationship?

If she knows these girls and the situation so well as to get involved emotionally, then why is she working their games? This is exactly why we shouldn't, she's not objective.

The OP obviously started this thread seeking comment. The consensus of the posts of this thread (not just mine) say leave it alone. Her (and your) emotional closeness is clouding her (and your) objectivity.

There is not a consensus to leave it alone. Several have said it might be appropriate to make a comment to the AD. Several others have said to whack for the clipboard thing, and for any profanity.

Why is she working a MS game with girls that she knows? Because it's a small town area where it's hard to find any refs at all to work any games much less MS girls (which certain refs might refuse).

And btw, the so-called-REFVA's of the world ARE letting this go on. They aren't stopping it. I as the ref don't have the right to yell at them, or even confront them, or even to confront the coach directly about this. But I would certainly take advantage of a relationship with the AD to express my opinion, and I believe it's my obligation to do so.

I didn't say I'd "handle it" or "deal with it" or "interfere". I can't, I have no authority. And I didn't say I would or should. What I said was that I'd express an opinion to someone who can deal with it.

That doesn't mean I'm letting my emotions get the better of me. It means I"m being a human being with ... alright, I"ll say it... empathy for other human beings. THere's certainly nothing wrong with that.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Men are from Mars...Women are from Venus.

When we officiate...we all should be from the planet Neptune. (Its neutral)

Well, as long as we're off topic, how bout those Rockies? Pretty amazing run, eh?

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Why is she working a MS game with girls that she knows? Because it's a small town area where it's hard to find any refs at all to work any games much less MS girls (which certain refs might refuse).

If that is indeed the case, and there is absolutely no way to avoid working this game, even more cause to be a objective as humanly possible and staying away from any sort of personnel drama.

But I would certainly take advantage of a relationship with the AD to express my opinion, and I believe it's my obligation to do so.

I didn't say I'd "handle it" or "deal with it" or "interfere". I can't, I have no authority. And I didn't say I would or should. What I said was that I'd express an opinion to someone who can deal with it.

And others have warned you this has the possibility of blowing up in your face, no good deed goes unpunished, etc etc etc. If you don't want to listen to me fine, listen to them.

I'll throw my $.02 in here also.
I'd let it go. Officiate the games as you would any other and don't let this coach's style affect your call. It's not under your jurisdiction to regulate someones coaching unless it violates the rules.
I wouldn't say anything about it to the AD either. As others have said, if he's really that bad, then others see it too.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, as long as we're off topic, how bout those Rockies? Pretty amazing run, eh?

Juulie - even though I'm an American League fan (despite the DH, which makes me puke), I was pulling for the DBacks. That's because their founder, Jerry Colangelo (also the Phoenix Suns guy) went to my HS.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by eyezen

And others have warned you this has the possibility of blowing up in your face, no good deed goes unpunished, etc etc etc. If you don't want to listen to me fine, listen to them.

Good grief, I'm not the one who asked for advice, I don't need warning, and I don't NEED to listen to you or anyone else. I will, of course, consider anything anyone says, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it. I'm not the one who asked the question, remember. Rita asked what she should do. I made my suggestions. Others made theirs. I don't see why I need to be the one to take the fall here.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Could I at least T him for throwing the clipboard? Sigh, fortunately I'm not assigned anymore of his games for middle school. Maybe I'll ask not to be assigned any of his games for high school as well.

Sorry - you try to play Bobby Knight in one of my games, you get (at least) a T.

One of my most (in)famous post-game ejections was of this very variety.