Speaking of visible counts...

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

JMO, but I disagree with this. I would rather be a little bit slow and perhaps miss a close violation than be a little too fast and call a violation that wasn't really there.

And the moral of the story is… be patient on the whistle!

[rainmaker]

So much depends on the game itself. In a close game where defense is really working hard, you start the count as soon as it's appropriate, count exactly to the clock, and call the violation right at 5 seconds. In a sloppy game where defense is just sort of standing around, or is clearly not taking things seriously, you slow down a little and see how it plays out. Where there's a fumble as the count might be starting, be a little slow, to be sure there's really possession. When the ball is being passed quickly from teammate to teammate, I might start the count in head right on time but not necessarily get my arm going until 2 or 2-1/2 seocnds. A lot of this stuff is somewhat variable.

But I will say this in answer to a previous question. On a throw-in, and in a very tight defense, I will often give a visible count at "0". I've been questioned about it before, and when I explained, it was appreciated. It means I give 6 (or 11) slashes instead of 5 or 10, but once a player or coach knows that's my way, it gives them a good solid basis for deciding what to do. They KNOW where they stand, and they like that.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I will often give a visible count at "0". I've been questioned about it before, and when I explained, it was appreciated. It means I give 6 (or 11) slashes instead of 5 or 10, but once a player or coach knows that's my way, it gives them a good solid basis for deciding what to do. They KNOW where they stand, and they like that.

I'm not sure I get how this works...as has been discussed here if it takes your arm 1 second to swing on each count then why do you need 6 or 11 swings?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I'm not sure I get how this works...as has been discussed here if it takes your arm 1 second to swing on each count then why do you need 6 or 11 swings?

Jewel may be counting hither and fro'.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I'm not sure I get how this works...as has been discussed here if it takes your arm 1 second to swing on each count then why do you need 6 or 11 swings?

My arm is fully extended and "chops" at 0. If you count that as a swing, then I need 6 or 11 swings because.... well, I"m sure you can do the math.

PYRef -- I do it pretty consistently on a throw-in, and when there's close defense with any chance of a violation. When the ball is being passed fairly quickly from player to player, and the violation isn't likely, well, I don't like looking like a windmill.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

My arm is fully extended and "chops" at 0. If you count that as a swing, then I need 6 or 11 swings because.... well, I"m sure you can do the math.

You begin counting at 0? You really are a machine!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You begin counting at 0? You really are a machine!

I heard she counts in binary.
violation at 101.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I heard she counts in binary.
violation at 101.

Damn! Beat me to it!



Edit: Beat instead of Bet. How embarassing to make that mistake. And Snaq had to go and quote the mistake. Argh!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I heard she counts in binary.
violation at 101.

As we know, there are only 10 kinds of people: those who know binary, and those who don't.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You begin counting at 0? You really are a machine!

Do you think she also counts like this:

 
  0
  1
 10
 11
100
101

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

My arm is fully extended and "chops" at 0. If you count that as a swing, then I need 6 or 11 swings because.... well, I"m sure you can do the math.

I can do the math, it's the physics I'm having trouble with.

You consider the chop as count zero? That's not an arm swing, is it?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I can do the math, it's the physics I'm having trouble with.

You consider the chop as count zero? That's not an arm swing, is it?

"Chop" was a bad choice of words. When I do this, it's an arm swing at count zero. Arm is fully extended out to the side, and gets to fully extended at zero.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

When the ball is being passed quickly from teammate to teammate, I might start the count in head right on time but not necessarily get my arm going until 2 or 2-1/2 seocnds. A lot of this stuff is somewhat variable.

But I will say this in answer to a previous question. On a throw-in, and in a very tight defense, I will often give a visible count at "0". I've been questioned about it before, and when I explained, it was appreciated. It means I give 6 (or 11) slashes instead of 5 or 10, but once a player or coach knows that's my way, it gives them a good solid basis for deciding what to do. They KNOW where they stand, and they like that.

Juulie, not to be picky, but wouldn't it make sense to start your visible count the same way for every situation?
I would think that by doing it differently in the same game it would cause more confusion for the coach and players and they wouldn't be sure where they stand as far as the count goes.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It means I give 6 (or 11) slashes instead of 5 or 10...

I think that this is going to come back and bite you one day... If someone sees you counting 10 on a backcourt on video and you don't have a violation, that is pretty hard to justify!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Brad

I think that this is going to come back and bite you one day... If someone sees you counting 10 on a backcourt on video and you don't have a violation, that is pretty hard to justify!

It doesn't need justification, just explanation. it's not that tough -- 10 strokes =9 seconds. Still, coaches can be difficult when it serves their purposes. I"ll consider what you're saying.

I guess what's working is giving a physical signal that control has begun and I'm counting. Any suggestions for how to convey that differently from a stroke of the counting arm.