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Old Thu Sep 20, 2007, 08:30am
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There should be a message board rule that states if you don't have supporting documentation to back up your answer you have to preface your answer with the words: "I think" or "I believe".

I don't say this to be funny but a lot of us newbies come to this board to get knowledge and a better understanding of the rules.....but I guess if the original poster wanted an opinion then that's apparently what he got....
The actual message board rule states, "Ignore every single word that Old School posts". He knows nothing about the rules of basketball or about officiating basketball. Listening to his input on officiating is like listening to Brittany Spears talk about good parenting. He posts here only to stir up trouble and cause confusion. Put him on your ignore list.
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Old Thu Sep 20, 2007, 09:49am
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I have worked in leagues with rules like this, and pretty universally this question is not addressed. Oh well.

If the only reason for stopping the clock was the blood situation, then I'd restart the clock as soon as the situation is resolved. If the spirit of the rule is to keep the clock running, let it run.

If you would normally have stopped the clock for the free throws (which is one of the common variations on this theme), then start as you normally would after the free throw.

Just my $0.02
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Old Thu Sep 20, 2007, 11:15am
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Interesting scenario. In Florida, by state rule, there is a running clock once a 35 point differential is achieved (call it a Slaughter Rule if you like) so this sitch would apply to Fed governed contests here. The rule further states that the clock shall only be stopped for time-outs and Techs.
Thus, in the original sitch, I would proceed as follows:
1) we have an officials time out. (stop clock)
2) If the blood situation has been corrected, the time out has been concluded. Lets all set up for the free throw, if applicable, and
3)start the clock once the ball is at the disposal of the thrower.

Not sure if it's spelled out specifically anywhere for us, but that's my best guess how to handle it. Anyone have a better solution?
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Old Thu Sep 20, 2007, 05:50pm
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Interesting scenario. In Florida, by state rule, there is a running clock once a 35 point differential is achieved (call it a Slaughter Rule if you like) so this sitch would apply to Fed governed contests here. The rule further states that the clock shall only be stopped for time-outs and Techs.
Thus, in the original sitch, I would proceed as follows:
1) we have an officials time out. (stop clock)
2) If the blood situation has been corrected, the time out has been concluded. Lets all set up for the free throw, if applicable, and
3)start the clock once the ball is at the disposal of the thrower.

Not sure if it's spelled out specifically anywhere for us, but that's my best guess how to handle it. Anyone have a better solution?
Until you hear back from the state - sounds good!

This is a problem that I have seen several times with running-clock rules. Often the restarting of the clock becomes debated (an argument I have had many times in reffing IM basketball).
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Old Thu Sep 20, 2007, 08:31pm
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Interesting scenario. In Florida, by state rule, there is a running clock once a 35 point differential is achieved (call it a Slaughter Rule if you like) so this sitch would apply to Fed governed contests here. The rule further states that the clock shall only be stopped for time-outs and Techs.
Thus, in the original sitch, I would proceed as follows:
1) we have an officials time out. (stop clock)
2) If the blood situation has been corrected, the time out has been concluded. Lets all set up for the free throw, if applicable, and
3)start the clock once the ball is at the disposal of the thrower.

Not sure if it's spelled out specifically anywhere for us, but that's my best guess how to handle it. Anyone have a better solution?
Well, I try to do this if the players will let me. Most of the time they don't say anything. My clock operator also will start it back to try to keep things on time. However, the closer games and the better teams will stop the clock with a TO. In cases like this, I don't restart it until the ball becomes live again after the F/T's have been shot.

This is effective for technical fouls. If I'm working a team that is down in the game and they burn a TO after their player commits a TF. We will take the TO, then shoot the TF with the clocked stopped, and then start it aftrwards.
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Old Fri Sep 21, 2007, 12:34am
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Thanks all ... What I have done is convinced the league to come up with a rule on how they want to handle this typr of situation.

What I did was handled it just like I would a timeout. after the FTs and the ball ws inbounded - we started the clock. One team did not like it and objected ... but, there was no rule in place for this and I did what I thought was right.
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Old Fri Sep 21, 2007, 08:00am
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Unless there's a rule in place, one team is always going to be upset.
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Old Fri Sep 21, 2007, 09:29am
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Even having a rule is no guarantee somebody won't be upset. Sounds like you did just fine Johnny.
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Unless there's a rule in place, one team is always going to be upset.
you misspelled. Sentence should read, "Even with a rule in place, one team..."
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