2-man To question...

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Old School

Sorry John, it matters not to me, I just got called on my response and I had to defend my position. I agree, my goodness but if you're going to hold me to a higher standard then you have to hold everyone to the same standard.

This is one reason I don't post here very often. However, I do read the various post, because usually the post and the responses are very helpful to me. But, I don't want to hold anyone to a higher standard. Doesn't matter to me what level you are or aren't, how old you are or aren't. I just want an answer or an opinion. The constant "picking" at all the other posters just isn't called for. The nip picking on this forum drives me nuts. So, I have a choice post here or just read the post. And I choice to post rarely here, but usually read the post every weekday to see what's happening in the world of basketball officiating.

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year. I was stunned that this post has gone onto 5 pages. I never thought it would. But, I guess on this forum I should have expected that. Oh well...to each his own!!!

I do appreciate the responses and will take them under consideration as I prepare for my 2nd game of 2-man THIS year. NOT my 2nd game ever of 2-man, but to be CLEAR, my 2nd 2-man game of the year!

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

This is one reason I don't post here very often. However, I do read the various post, because usually the post and the responses are very helpful to me. But, I don't want to hold anyone to a higher standard. Doesn't matter to me what level you are or aren't, how old you are or aren't. I just want an answer or an opinion. The constant "picking" at all the other posters just isn't called for. The nip picking on this forum drives me nuts. So, I have a choice post here or just read the post. And I choice to post rarely here, but usually read the post every weekday to see what's happening in the world of basketball officiating.

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year. I was stunned that this post has gone onto 5 pages. I never thought it would. But, I guess on this forum I should have expected that. Oh well...to each his own!!!

I do appreciate the responses and will take them under consideration as I prepare for my 2nd game of 2-man THIS year. NOT my 2nd game ever of 2-man, but to be CLEAR, my 2nd 2-man game of the year!

Well it appears you know Mick, if you work with him, you have likely worked with me, but I have now moved from the area for work just this past summer.

I haven't read anything about the new rules this year because I don't know if I'll be officiating due to moving constantly for work but I would, personally, tell the team away from the end of the floor I will be situating myself first horn first, then go past the other team with the first one warning. Seems logical to me, I haven't read the entire thread yet (page or so to go), but I would like to know what the actual procedure is defined to be

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lukealex

.... but I would like to know what the actual procedure is defined to be

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...erences_07.pdf

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...erences_07.pdf

Thank you

[Old School]

Originally Posted by lukealex

I haven't read anything about the new rules this year because I don't know if I'll be officiating due to moving constantly for work but I would, personally, tell the team away from the end of the floor I will be situating myself first horn first, then go past the other team with the first one warning. Seems logical to me, I haven't read the entire thread yet (page or so to go), but I would like to know what the actual procedure is defined to be

Here is the change for this in English. I should have just wrote this instead of trying to describe it in my own words.

The timeout and intermission postions have been changed so that the administering official will stand where the ball will be resumed and the non-adminstering official will stand facing the table on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30 sec. TO and on the circle farthest from the table for a 60 second timeout.)

The Committe felt that keeping an official at the location of the ball (as opposed to the blocks) will eliminate questions during timeouts as to where the ball will be inbounded or where play will resume. The off-ball official will be near the table to handle any subs or questions from the table.

Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

[snip]
Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

Huh ?

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by Old School

Here is the change for this in English. I should have just wrote this instead of trying to describe it in my own words.

The timeout and intermission postions have been changed so that the administering official will stand where the ball will be resumed and the non-adminstering official will stand facing the table on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30 sec. TO and on the circle farthest from the table for a 60 second timeout.)

The Committe felt that keeping an official at the location of the ball (as opposed to the blocks) will eliminate questions during timeouts as to where the ball will be inbounded or where play will resume. The off-ball official will be near the table to handle any subs or questions from the table.

Now, if you are the reporting official at the top and the ball will be inbounded at the top. You will report, signal to the timer to start the TO clock, then go get the ball and stand at the inbound spot. The other official could be at the baseline (lead position), must now come to the division line. This official will also notify both teams of the first horn warning.

Well I guess you missed the part where I said I haven't read anything about the rule or mechanics changes which forced me to describe it in my own words.

[Adam]

Okay, just for clarification.
The official who calls and reports the timeout will stand at the division line. The non-calling official takes the ball and stands where he/she will administer the ensuing throwin.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, just for clarification.
The official who calls and reports the timeout will stand at the division line. The non-calling official takes the ball and stands where he/she will administer the ensuing throwin.

Negative!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Next time you watch a game between teams that represent schools, watch the officials during a timeout. You'll see the calling official go to the division line.

As unlikely as it might seem, OS is right this time.

The timeout positions have NOTHING to do with who calls/reports the timeout.

If the throwin will be administered on your line, you go to the spot whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

If the throwin will be administered on your partner's line, you go to the division line whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

Think of it as if a defensive violation occurs at the location of the ball at the time of the timeout. Whoever would have administered the throwin for the violation will also administer the timeout throwin and will also go to the spot. Who calls the timeout is NOT a factor.

Examples:

In all cases, whoever calls it reports it before going to their spot.

1. Ball in the backcourt when the timeout is called...trail administering
   • Trail will go to the spot.
   • Lead will go to the division line.
2. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the endline or on the lead's sideline
   • Lead will go to the spot
   • Trail will go to the division line
3. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the trail's sideline
   • Trail will go to the spot
   • Lead will go to the division line
4. Throwin due for team A due to a violation or foul...
   • Whoever was to adminster that throwin (after switching) will go to the spot
   • The other official will go to the division line
5. FT's to be taken after the timeout
   • New lead goes to the FT line
   • New trail goes to the division line

[Adam]

Cameron,
Is this in the official's manual? I just wonder if it's a regional thing; because I've always done it based on who made the call.

Guess this is more evidence of the stopped clock theory.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As unlikely as it might seem, OS is right this time.

The timeout positions have NOTHING to do with who calls/reports the timeout.

If the throwin will be administered on your line, you go to the spot whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

If the throwin will be administered on your partner's line, you go to the division line whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

Think of it as if a defensive violation occurs at the location of the ball at the time of the timeout. Whoever would have administered the throwin for the violation will also administer the timeout throwin and will also go to the spot. Who calls the timeout is NOT a factor.

Examples:

In all cases, whoever calls it reports it before going to their spot.

1. Ball in the backcourt when the timeout is called...trail administering
   • Trail will go to the spot.
   • Lead will go to the division line.
2. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the endline or on the lead's sideline
   • Lead will go to the spot
   • Trail will go to the division line
3. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the trail's sideline
   • Trail will go to the spot
   • Lead will go to the division line
4. Throwin due for team A due to a violation or foul...
   • Whoever was to adminster that throwin (after switching) will go to the spot
   • The other official will go to the division line
5. FT's to be taken after the timeout
   • New lead goes to the FT line
   • New trail goes to the division line

Please point me to where I may find in the mechanics manual the above procedure for time-outs.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The timeout positions have NOTHING to do with who calls/reports the timeout.

If the throwin will be administered on your line, you go to the spot whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

If the throwin will be administered on your partner's line, you go to the division line whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

Think of it as if a defensive violation occurs at the location of the ball at the time of the timeout. Whoever would have administered the throwin for the violation will also administer the timeout throwin and will also go to the spot. Who calls the timeout is NOT a factor.

I agree with Camron that this is how it's supposed to be done, here. To do otherwise would sometimes force a switch, and there's not supposed to be a switch on a TO.

YMMV.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As unlikely as it might seem, OS is right this time.

The timeout positions have NOTHING to do with who calls/reports the timeout.

If the throwin will be administered on your line, you go to the spot whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

If the throwin will be administered on your partner's line, you go to the division line whether you called the timeout or not (after reporting if you do call the timeout).

Think of it as if a defensive violation occurs at the location of the ball at the time of the timeout. Whoever would have administered the throwin for the violation will also administer the timeout throwin and will also go to the spot. Who calls the timeout is NOT a factor.

Examples:

In all cases, whoever calls it reports it before going to their spot.

1. Ball in the backcourt when the timeout is called...trail administering
   • Trail will go to the spot.
   • Lead will go to the division line.
2. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the endline or on the lead's sideline
   • Lead will go to the spot
   • Trail will go to the division line
3. Ball in frontcourt such that the throwin will be on the trail's sideline
   • Trail will go to the spot
   • Lead will go to the division line
4. Throwin due for team A due to a violation or foul...
   • Whoever was to adminster that throwin (after switching) will go to the spot
   • The other official will go to the division line
5. FT's to be taken after the timeout
   • New lead goes to the FT line
   • New trail goes to the division line

This is accurate, from what my memory tells me. I do remember hearing this interpretation being that of our provincial interpretor.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year.

My feelings exactly.