2-man To question...

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

That's because I didn't write a discription. In my description, I didn't clarify where the front of the circle is, because I know of no definition that determines where the front of the circle is. Is it the R's side of the cirlce or the U's side of the circle? And why?

Well, that point is about as dumb as my mispelling of description. The front of the circle is determined by the table, period.

My text probably isn't the best for newer officials such as yourself.

Not trying to get into a pissing match here but you should understand that a veteran official did not ask this question and i simply wanted to clarify what you stated in the interest of the person asking the question, in case he didn't have a clue of what you just stated. I have been officiating since 1990 and I struggle with that definition. Sometimes, we are our own worse enemy's.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Sometimes, we are our own worse enemy's.

"Our own worst enemy's" what?
Our own worst enemy's friend?
Our own worst enemy's lawyer?

Originally Posted by Old School

I have been officiating since 1990 and I struggle with that definition.

Also, just for clarification. That fact that something confuses you does not make it confusing.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

"...You should understand that a veteran official did not ask this question...."

John Bark has been around here for 5 years. Yes, he is an experienced official.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by mick

John Bark has been around here for 5 years. Yes, he is an experienced official.

I don't care how long Mr. Bark has been officiating, this is what he said....

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

I don't care how long Mr. Bark has been officiating, this is what he said....

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner.

Again, read more slowly. Speed reading is getting you into trouble.

In particular, the part in red indicates he has officiated quite a bit. Implied in this statement is the following phrase: "since the change." Now, reading slowly, you should be able to place that phrase in the proper place in the sentence. I'm pretty sure my 2nd grader could do it.
Also, the fact that it was his first 2-man indicates he has been officiating 3-man; not something rookie officials normally get to do.

So, read more slowly. It might end up saving us all a lot of time.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Old School

I don't care how long Mr. Bark has been officiating, this is what he said....

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner.

Oh, my !
You need to put all the words together in order to get the true meaning.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Old School

I don't care how long Mr. Bark has been officiating, this is what he said....

i worked my first 2-man last night with my usual partner.

FIRST meaning the first game of THIS year. And yes, I've been around for a few years. I should have been more clear in my posting! My goodness!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

FIRST meaning the first game of THIS year. And yes, I've been around for a few years. I should have been more clear in my posting! My goodness!

Not your fault, John. As I told him, just because a post confuses Old School doesn't mean that post is in itself confusing. It's a fundamental concept of this board now.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

FIRST meaning the first game of THIS year. And yes, I've been around for a few years. I should have been more clear in my posting! My goodness!

Sorry John, it matters not to me, I just got called on my response and I had to defend my position. I agree, my goodness but if you're going to hold me to a higher standard then you have to hold everyone to the same standard.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Old School

Sorry John, it matters not to me, I just got called on my response and I had to defend my position. I agree, my goodness but if you're going to hold me to a higher standard then you have to hold everyone to the same standard.

This is one reason I don't post here very often. However, I do read the various post, because usually the post and the responses are very helpful to me. But, I don't want to hold anyone to a higher standard. Doesn't matter to me what level you are or aren't, how old you are or aren't. I just want an answer or an opinion. The constant "picking" at all the other posters just isn't called for. The nip picking on this forum drives me nuts. So, I have a choice post here or just read the post. And I choice to post rarely here, but usually read the post every weekday to see what's happening in the world of basketball officiating.

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year. I was stunned that this post has gone onto 5 pages. I never thought it would. But, I guess on this forum I should have expected that. Oh well...to each his own!!!

I do appreciate the responses and will take them under consideration as I prepare for my 2nd game of 2-man THIS year. NOT my 2nd game ever of 2-man, but to be CLEAR, my 2nd 2-man game of the year!

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

This is one reason I don't post here very often. However, I do read the various post, because usually the post and the responses are very helpful to me. But, I don't want to hold anyone to a higher standard. Doesn't matter to me what level you are or aren't, how old you are or aren't. I just want an answer or an opinion. The constant "picking" at all the other posters just isn't called for. The nip picking on this forum drives me nuts. So, I have a choice post here or just read the post. And I choice to post rarely here, but usually read the post every weekday to see what's happening in the world of basketball officiating.

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year. I was stunned that this post has gone onto 5 pages. I never thought it would. But, I guess on this forum I should have expected that. Oh well...to each his own!!!

I do appreciate the responses and will take them under consideration as I prepare for my 2nd game of 2-man THIS year. NOT my 2nd game ever of 2-man, but to be CLEAR, my 2nd 2-man game of the year!

Well it appears you know Mick, if you work with him, you have likely worked with me, but I have now moved from the area for work just this past summer.

I haven't read anything about the new rules this year because I don't know if I'll be officiating due to moving constantly for work but I would, personally, tell the team away from the end of the floor I will be situating myself first horn first, then go past the other team with the first one warning. Seems logical to me, I haven't read the entire thread yet (page or so to go), but I would like to know what the actual procedure is defined to be

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

And who cares if it was my first ever game officiating or my first game of the year? It has NOTHING to do with the question, which was to find out how the rest of the official acrossed the country who read and post topics here are handling the situation that we ALL must deal with if you are working any 2-man this year.

My feelings exactly.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

The constant "picking" at all the other posters just isn't called for. The nip picking on this forum drives me nuts.

I ... w i l l .... resist ....
Actually, I don't post all that much for reasons similar to yours, but I do find most of the nit picking quite humorous, and often instructional, when it helps clarify what was meant.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Well, that point is about as dumb as my mispelling of description. The front of the circle is determined by the table, period.

Can I get that on official Old School Approved Ruling letterhead?

Originally Posted by Old School

Not trying to get into a pissing match here but you should understand that a veteran official did not ask this question and i simply wanted to clarify what you stated in the interest of the person asking the question, in case he didn't have a clue of what you just stated. I have been officiating since 1990 and I struggle with that definition. Sometimes, we are our own worse enemy's.

Wow; in 7 years here, I'd never thought of such a thing. Thanks! (Is a smilie required?)